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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KidSnide" data-source="post: 5997164" data-attributes="member: 54710">What makes CS a clever mechanic is that they provide a scaling mechanism for trading off damage vs. effects.  A knockdown from a 3rd level fighter costs a d6, but a knockdown by a 10th level fighter costs a d12.  This is important because it preserves the interesting choice.  If both fighters traded 3 hp of damage for a knockdown, the 10th level fighter would knock down opponents at every opportunity.CS really boils down to an effective way to allow characters to trade off between damage-based maneuvers (like Deadly Strike, Jab and Parry) and non-damage based maneuvers (like Knockdown, Push and Tumble).  Almost all of the "Fighter-ness" in CS is in the set of maneuvers that fighters get (Deadly Strike, Parry and the Fighting Styles), not in the CS mechanic itself.If Warlords also get a pool of CS dice with a different set of maneuvers, Fighters don't become less special.  (Maybe Warlords get more dice of lower magnitude, so they can hand them out to more allies?)  They simply share a common mechanic for martial combat training.  If the classes share a few maneuvers, it will be like wizards and sorcerers sharing a spell list.  To be honest, I think having a partially overlapping set of maneuvers would be advantageous for both classes, as it gives each maneuver an in-game reality.   I like the idea that "Cleave" is a mechanic shared by everyone who can cleave, in the same way that "Fireball" operates the same way for everyone who can cast that spell.And if a common CS mechanic makes multiclassing between the martial classes easier, then so much the better.  -KS</blockquote>

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