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<blockquote data-quote="ZombieRoboNinja" data-source="post: 5997994" data-attributes="member: 54843">I think at this point the debate becomes a challenge for those of us who want to keep CS fighter-only: can we do better?Right now, I think there's a 0% chance wizards, clerics, or any of the other classes we've seen so far (other than rogues) would possibly receive CS dice or a variant thereof. They have their own, completely separate mechanics.But it would be very easy for Wizards to slap together a CS variant with some spellcasting or other special abilities to make paladins, rangers, monks, and barbarians. So what would YOU propose to make a warlord, paladin, ranger, monk, and barbarian class that (a) doesn't use CS and (b) is more elegant and appropriate than &quot;the paladin starts gets a few CS dice along with a few Cleric spells&quot;?My thoughts:1. Barbarians = daily MP (&quot;stamina&quot;) system. You can spend 1 stamina point to rage for one round (and when your rage is ended/interrupted you're winded until you get a short rest). You can also spend stamina points for feats of strength or endurance, extra-powerful hits when you're already raging, and so on. Your stamina regenerates when you take a long rest. The net effect is a character who can overpower even a fighter in melee in short bursts, but who doesn't have the flexibility or staying power of the fighter (nor the magic of the sorcerer).2. Warlords = combo of daily &quot;morale&quot; system for healing and utility powers (all 5e healing is daily) and encounter powers (&quot;tactics&quot;). A warlord doesn't &quot;go with the flow&quot; like a fighter, he plans in advance for each tactical encounter. He also gets a few at-will abilities, of course, probably in the &quot;give up your turn to give an ally a turn&quot; vein.and so on...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ZombieRoboNinja, post: 5997994, member: 54843"] I think at this point the debate becomes a challenge for those of us who want to keep CS fighter-only: can we do better? Right now, I think there's a 0% chance wizards, clerics, or any of the other classes we've seen so far (other than rogues) would possibly receive CS dice or a variant thereof. They have their own, completely separate mechanics. But it would be very easy for Wizards to slap together a CS variant with some spellcasting or other special abilities to make paladins, rangers, monks, and barbarians. So what would YOU propose to make a warlord, paladin, ranger, monk, and barbarian class that (a) doesn't use CS and (b) is more elegant and appropriate than "the paladin starts gets a few CS dice along with a few Cleric spells"? My thoughts: 1. Barbarians = daily MP ("stamina") system. You can spend 1 stamina point to rage for one round (and when your rage is ended/interrupted you're winded until you get a short rest). You can also spend stamina points for feats of strength or endurance, extra-powerful hits when you're already raging, and so on. Your stamina regenerates when you take a long rest. The net effect is a character who can overpower even a fighter in melee in short bursts, but who doesn't have the flexibility or staying power of the fighter (nor the magic of the sorcerer). 2. Warlords = combo of daily "morale" system for healing and utility powers (all 5e healing is daily) and encounter powers ("tactics"). A warlord doesn't "go with the flow" like a fighter, he plans in advance for each tactical encounter. He also gets a few at-will abilities, of course, probably in the "give up your turn to give an ally a turn" vein. and so on... [/QUOTE]

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