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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vikingkingq" data-source="post: 6000171" data-attributes="member: 66208">It's not just elegance, though. I think it also includes the criteria of appropriateness/evocativeness (i.e, is the mechanic serving the class' image as opposed to the other way around) and additional value (does this mechanic work better than alternative mechanics). Ok, but how would these varieties of ways add something new to the class in a way that another mechanic wouldn't? The Rogue already has mechanisms for improving their sneakiness and their skills - what would these dice be allocated to that isn't being covered? Regarding the first option, if it just replicates the current setup, it's an added layer of difficulty without additional benefit. The third option is close to a gimme for ranged builds, who are much less likely to be hit than melee rogues. Except you haven't identified any alternate uses, nor how those alternate uses would fill a gap in the class as it's currently designed. What does the Rogue need to do that it can't do now that would require these dice?Sorry, I was thinking about the Complete Thief's Handbook from 2nd edition, which also had Mugging as an alternative to Backstab. But looking at the Ambush Feats, I see a difference between this and ED - all of these feats still involve Sneak Attacking people, they just involve switching out some damage to put penalties/effects on people (with the exception of the one that allows you to Sneak Attack next turn). Whereas ED can be applied to many different things - the Fighter can do both attacks and defenses, defending allies, or movement effects. Moreover, unlike ED, where you get dice ahead of time and then in apportioning them can choose to do different actions, these possibilities all come after the Sneak Attack. If this is what you want for the Rogue, I'm down with it. However, I think turning this in ED instead of saying "you can trade in Sneak Attack damage for X effects" is needlessly complicated.</blockquote>

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