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<blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 4805234" data-attributes="member: 59057">your damage for the hyperoptimized one is wrong <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp;its 5.7 DPR average and goes up to 6.175 DPR <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp;so: you gain extra 7.7% damage&nbsp;the non optimized char gets extra 9.1% damage&nbsp;and since the relative damage matters when you are depleting the enemies hp, its actually better for the non optimized char... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp;and if you calculate: both would be better off to take weapon fokus instead:&nbsp;the optimized char will increase his damage to 6.3 DPRand the non optimized char will increase his damage to 4.25 DPR&nbsp;p.s.: of yourse, increasing both to hit and damage with stats will greatly increase your damage output (between 10 and 20%) so if you want to optimize, do it by increasing your main stat...&nbsp;but i still say: expertise is not more broken than weapon fokus on lower levels. (for damage output)&nbsp;But: if you need to hit because you want to get a noteworthy status effect on your allies or your enemy, by all means, take expertise... but you will be better off by taking a racial feat which will help your crucial dailies to give you an effect for the whole encounter... the simple +1 won´t do it...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="UngeheuerLich, post: 4805234, member: 59057"] your damage for the hyperoptimized one is wrong ;) its 5.7 DPR average and goes up to 6.175 DPR ;) so: you gain extra 7.7% damage the non optimized char gets extra 9.1% damage and since the relative damage matters when you are depleting the enemies hp, its actually better for the non optimized char... ;) and if you calculate: both would be better off to take weapon fokus instead: the optimized char will increase his damage to 6.3 DPR and the non optimized char will increase his damage to 4.25 DPR p.s.: of yourse, increasing both to hit and damage with stats will greatly increase your damage output (between 10 and 20%) so if you want to optimize, do it by increasing your main stat... but i still say: expertise is not more broken than weapon fokus on lower levels. (for damage output) But: if you need to hit because you want to get a noteworthy status effect on your allies or your enemy, by all means, take expertise... but you will be better off by taking a racial feat which will help your crucial dailies to give you an effect for the whole encounter... the simple +1 won´t do it... [/QUOTE]

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