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<blockquote data-quote="Intense_Interest" data-source="post: 4806762" data-attributes="member: 65904"><p>Once more into the breech, old friend.</p><p></p><p>We again use the phrase "feat tax" without defining it. What is the meaning other than a post-hoc declamation? That because 99% of some arbitrary cohort of players (15th level, people you know, play in a group that values hitting monsters) use the feat, it is a Tax to play <u>for those players</u>?</p><p></p><p>You use the phrase "feat tax" because you think the application is boring, not because of what it actually does. We don't call "18 Attack Stat" an Attribute Tax, or having at least a +1 weapon by level 5 an Item Tax, or having a Taclord with to-hit bonus powers a "Group Composition Tax"- not because these factors are (within the cohort of players that optimize characters) used in 99% of groups- but because we find purchasing a feat that does nothing but make you smile when you roll an 8 <em>lame</em>.</p><p></p><p>Further, what about those players that take a different feat because it would work on all aspects of their character? The split Cleric, Dragonborn mouth-breather, or whatever odd multiclasser you care to name. Do they still pay a "feat tax" because they choose a feat that also increases their to-hit bonus in a different and limited way? Because within that cohort of players, you can imagine that 90% of them also have a to-hit boosting feat of some sort as well.</p><p></p><p>Doesn't this mean that to-hit feats as a group are "feat taxes", because players want to purchase a feat that lets them hit more often? Do players that spend a Superior Weapon profiency to wield a Greatspear instead of a Long Spear spending a Feat Tax for Spear Users? Are strange race/class combinations that use suggested feats to "match up" to other combinations paying a "feat tax" to play them?</p><p></p><p>People spend feats to do stuff- that is what you do with them. Expertise is a Great feat, but it isn't the only one nor is it going to be the only one. Just because you can't flip out and do cool stuff with it other than smile when you roll an 8 doesn't mean you're paying a Feat Tax to play the game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Intense_Interest, post: 4806762, member: 65904"] Once more into the breech, old friend. We again use the phrase "feat tax" without defining it. What is the meaning other than a post-hoc declamation? That because 99% of some arbitrary cohort of players (15th level, people you know, play in a group that values hitting monsters) use the feat, it is a Tax to play [u]for those players[/u]? You use the phrase "feat tax" because you think the application is boring, not because of what it actually does. We don't call "18 Attack Stat" an Attribute Tax, or having at least a +1 weapon by level 5 an Item Tax, or having a Taclord with to-hit bonus powers a "Group Composition Tax"- not because these factors are (within the cohort of players that optimize characters) used in 99% of groups- but because we find purchasing a feat that does nothing but make you smile when you roll an 8 [i]lame[/i]. Further, what about those players that take a different feat because it would work on all aspects of their character? The split Cleric, Dragonborn mouth-breather, or whatever odd multiclasser you care to name. Do they still pay a "feat tax" because they choose a feat that also increases their to-hit bonus in a different and limited way? Because within that cohort of players, you can imagine that 90% of them also have a to-hit boosting feat of some sort as well. Doesn't this mean that to-hit feats as a group are "feat taxes", because players want to purchase a feat that lets them hit more often? Do players that spend a Superior Weapon profiency to wield a Greatspear instead of a Long Spear spending a Feat Tax for Spear Users? Are strange race/class combinations that use suggested feats to "match up" to other combinations paying a "feat tax" to play them? People spend feats to do stuff- that is what you do with them. Expertise is a Great feat, but it isn't the only one nor is it going to be the only one. Just because you can't flip out and do cool stuff with it other than smile when you roll an 8 doesn't mean you're paying a Feat Tax to play the game. [/QUOTE]
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