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<blockquote data-quote="Bayuer" data-source="post: 4807677" data-attributes="member: 61817"><p>@GMforPowergamers</p><p>I admire you ignorance. Did you even made some steps to look how the game is on higher levels? Do you know how basic math looks at epic? Gap is huge.</p><p></p><p>I noticed it first, when my party reached paragon tier. There was something wrong with NADs. Monster hitted us on very low dice rolls. The PHB2 comes out and Experitse and NADs feats makes me think. I made math crunch. And here we are. The problem existed, but we all were newbies in 4E so we didn't exacly know if there something wrong in system, or everything is just fine and as it should be.</p><p></p><p>To be honest. Yes you can play withou Expertise and NAD feats, but it's completly boring for all the players. Even worst it give a DM a powerfull weapon to ruin the session. The only person who will enjoy such a session is powergaming DM, who thinks this game is about destroying PCs or "make them suffer".</p><p></p><p>Maybe everything will be ok, if some DMs will not make huge mistakes when they design fights. I can be pretty sure many DMs use monster of higher level than party all the time. If this is in n+1 to n+3 (wher n is party level) things should be quite ok, but when DM will use some low level monsters too. In practice I think most DM use very high level monsters. If this is soldier then grind can kick your ass to the bottom of abbys. Anyway such a fights should be playable. So we need better NADs and to hit chances.</p><p></p><p>*Bing</p><p>PHB2 comes out.</p><p></p><p>Many may argue that +1 to hit will not change DPR, will be not good etc. There were non such a feats before PHB2 and there are plenty of the same feats with feat tag, making you character able to gain +6 to hit on epic tier. We have revolution here. Anyone who claims thats nonse can't look wide at changes that were made, or just don't know the system well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bayuer, post: 4807677, member: 61817"] @GMforPowergamers I admire you ignorance. Did you even made some steps to look how the game is on higher levels? Do you know how basic math looks at epic? Gap is huge. I noticed it first, when my party reached paragon tier. There was something wrong with NADs. Monster hitted us on very low dice rolls. The PHB2 comes out and Experitse and NADs feats makes me think. I made math crunch. And here we are. The problem existed, but we all were newbies in 4E so we didn't exacly know if there something wrong in system, or everything is just fine and as it should be. To be honest. Yes you can play withou Expertise and NAD feats, but it's completly boring for all the players. Even worst it give a DM a powerfull weapon to ruin the session. The only person who will enjoy such a session is powergaming DM, who thinks this game is about destroying PCs or "make them suffer". Maybe everything will be ok, if some DMs will not make huge mistakes when they design fights. I can be pretty sure many DMs use monster of higher level than party all the time. If this is in n+1 to n+3 (wher n is party level) things should be quite ok, but when DM will use some low level monsters too. In practice I think most DM use very high level monsters. If this is soldier then grind can kick your ass to the bottom of abbys. Anyway such a fights should be playable. So we need better NADs and to hit chances. *Bing PHB2 comes out. Many may argue that +1 to hit will not change DPR, will be not good etc. There were non such a feats before PHB2 and there are plenty of the same feats with feat tag, making you character able to gain +6 to hit on epic tier. We have revolution here. Anyone who claims thats nonse can't look wide at changes that were made, or just don't know the system well. [/QUOTE]
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