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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 4807771" data-attributes="member: 67338">wow I admire your ability to run away and hide behind personal attacks instead of responding to what I said...it makes it much easier to ignore your selfserving numbers when you do the same with everything I say...      first I know the numbers...second I played 2nd-27th level pre PHBII, and you know what I found...it got harder as we fought more and more powerful monsters, but we could compansatge and still win the day at every point...without the feats...I also saw and spoke to many people with simalar experiances, I also have an entire char op board that made A habit of makeing powerhouse character even so far as to make characters that could solo orcus...without these feats...So that gap may be there, but there are ways to deal with it. It is not crippling. HOWEVER there were some people who had some problems, and this feat is perfect for them, but not everyone... oh noes PCs got hit...how horrable that isn't suppose to happen...  and we here with +2 months expeariance can now say we grew enough to say without a doubt...oh wait we are still less then a year into the system and we are still learneing, and guess what...no one is an expert yet....    Prove that... I can prove that there are groups not completly boared without it...heck I don't even know the players or DM of the group, but they posted here...     yea just look at how it destoryies nail fun...oh wait nail is still enjoying the game he plays...correct me if I am wrong     so what fight is unplayable again???  Adult red dragon lv 15 solo Vs 11th level PC...it seamed like a fun fight when I ran it...before PHBII was leaked at all, back when I was hopeing it would have psionics in it... maybe you need to pay closer attention to what we argue...I see no one saying that. I said DPR is BS and i no way refelct the reality of the game...but not that this doesn't change it... so should we use the metric that there are nothing like X yet, so X must not work???? That seams very limiting, like new things can't be made that are not reskined old things...  Yes we have a revolution in that the Devs realized the game was NOT so weak that it couldn't support att increasin feats. They learned this WONT break the system, and can enhance the fun for players...wow something we agree on, that this changes the way the game works...Of cource I see it for change that is ok/good, you see it as bad/end of the world...but it is astart...       Anyone who claims people who disagree with them 'don't know the system' is guilty of attacking instead of listening. If you assume you are right, and all arguments against you are dumb...then it is real easy to say "Everyone who matters agrees"         I on the other side say "There is still alot of fleshing out this needs, and we should take a wait and see attitude"...</blockquote>

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