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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 4809079" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>It is not I who is useing the word wrong... you see I agree it is required to be the best optimized build...I just feel 80+% of us players don't play the optimized best characters, that viable and good enough, and fun are just as likely...</p><p></p><p> If you look for the best feats and do it out there are many 'required' feats for optimaxation...every thing in 4e comes in good, better, best groups. My problem is IF you go out of your way to look for the best of everything, you should not complain you found it...</p><p></p><p> I don't need to post an optimized build to prove something is not requared for everyone...I only neet to post a viable build to prove that...witch I have here and on RPGnet, and on Wotc Board, and in person when people make this claim.</p><p></p><p>example 1:</p><p> notice no use of optimized, just to be at normal he feels you need a extra + to hit</p><p></p><p>example 2</p><p> see again talking about everyone needing it, infact he goes on to suggest:</p><p></p><p></p><p>please see no use of optimazation here</p><p></p><p>I am sure that there are more examples, but I gave up looking...</p><p></p><p> see my main problem is there is a group of players and DMs who think there house rules are a better fit for MY and OTHERS games then what WotC has provided...I disagree, so do others. As long as people claim that you NEED a +3 at level 25 I will argue against it. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Also not only has no one yet answered my math challenge of showing a monster that without expertise the fight is impposble becuse of the math, but no one has responded to may main point...</p><p></p><p></p><p> So again if you house rule it, and you like it that way fine...but don't ask WotC to errata, or change the system to suit your play style...becuse that is NOT what everyone wants</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 4809079, member: 67338"] It is not I who is useing the word wrong... you see I agree it is required to be the best optimized build...I just feel 80+% of us players don't play the optimized best characters, that viable and good enough, and fun are just as likely... If you look for the best feats and do it out there are many 'required' feats for optimaxation...every thing in 4e comes in good, better, best groups. My problem is IF you go out of your way to look for the best of everything, you should not complain you found it... I don't need to post an optimized build to prove something is not requared for everyone...I only neet to post a viable build to prove that...witch I have here and on RPGnet, and on Wotc Board, and in person when people make this claim. example 1: notice no use of optimized, just to be at normal he feels you need a extra + to hit example 2 see again talking about everyone needing it, infact he goes on to suggest: please see no use of optimazation here I am sure that there are more examples, but I gave up looking... see my main problem is there is a group of players and DMs who think there house rules are a better fit for MY and OTHERS games then what WotC has provided...I disagree, so do others. As long as people claim that you NEED a +3 at level 25 I will argue against it. Also not only has no one yet answered my math challenge of showing a monster that without expertise the fight is impposble becuse of the math, but no one has responded to may main point... So again if you house rule it, and you like it that way fine...but don't ask WotC to errata, or change the system to suit your play style...becuse that is NOT what everyone wants [/QUOTE]
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