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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 4811200" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>well in there defence...swordmage and avanger are currently tied for 2nd best AC in game in theory...so a swordmage that focuses can be better (not as good better) then a plate and sheild paliden...</p><p></p><p> [sblock=who does number 2 work for?]who or what you may ask is #1 best armor...well the Swordmage/Avanger Hybrid/paragon hybrid that has both features (armor of faith and warding) and can walk around with a 60+AC...I belive the opt board got the defs (all 4) to where no demon lord can hit on better then a 19 againts any def...and still a good offence, and lets not forget the roll 2d20 attacks, and negate damage if at someone else...[/sblock]</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree with 99% and the only thing I would do diffrent (and this is not me nit picking just giving some advice ignore me if you wish) use a 16 attack stat, it appears to me to be the min WotC set 16 + every up...</p><p></p><p>[sblock=excel suggestion]by the way to moddfy the excel sheet to do att mods right use this form... =ROUNDDOWN((B2-10)/2,0) it will tell it to round down 0 decmil places... also you have expertise wrong see below...[/sblock]</p><p></p><p></p><p>You seam to have your numbers slightly off You have expertise scaleing at 11 and 21 instead of 15 and 25...</p><p></p><p></p><p>agree</p><p></p><p> agree</p><p></p><p></p><p>now I want to take a moment to point out this is where you and I differ, I see that the powers of the game change as you level...you see more dailys (all have effect or miss line) and you see some enconters with miss and/or effect lines...and sustains become more common, and auto hit, auto damage...yes hit chance goes down, but the rest of the system compansates....</p><p></p><p></p><p> ok...lets start</p><p></p><p></p><p> not unreasnalbe...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> very well stated, and 100% agree...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> Ok I have to stop you there...Warlord hands out att bonus like candy... with utlity powers (no hit needed) extra attacks as effects (more rolls more chance to hit), and there biggest buff has a miss rider for said buff... two of the builds also give bonuses to hit with action points...Bard is shaping up to look the same... Clerics have atleast two diffrent utlity bonus to hit powers...</p><p> </p><p> and that is just off the top of my head...if your group wants to hit stack up on bonuses isn't trival, but it isn't impossble eaither...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> see above where I talk about miss effects and effects and more options...</p><p></p><p> </p><p> I some what agree, it was put there becuse SOME people felt there needed to be a latch, others did not, making it a feat made it an optional patch...each player to weigh it on there own...</p><p></p><p> well I did find some PHBI feats that I loved, I can see where you are going with this...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I said it before and I will say it again, they were WAY to consevative with the attack bonus feats in PHBI, and I think they realized that now...I do think they went too far, but hey I can live with it (I would rather expertise scale to +2 at 21st....and the race feats from arcan have been paragon +1 scale also at 21st...but not the point)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> Ok...I thank you for being very well spoken...well written, and explaning your stance...</p><p></p><p> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":eek:" /> and here I thought we were going be friends...</p><p> no way I love the swordmage...I think it is what has been missing since 1e...paliden is to cleric as ranger is to druid as swordmage is to wizard....</p><p></p><p> I do think the diff between sheidling and assalt is a joke, but with ensnareing you now have a choice to make...although I do think sheilding is just way too awsome</p><p></p><p> Ok I missed that teleport, but I assume you mean swordburst...close burst 1 implment attack at will...or do you mean green flame blade?? I like both...</p><p></p><p> I see no reason to insult rich baker...he made the class and is a pretty col guy..</p><p></p><p> I am glad you made some fun house rules, but I think the class was AOK on it's own...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>FRPG was core...Arcane power was CORE....so it was core expanding on core...</p><p> this is one of the greatest things of 4e, I know that everything is lumped togather (easier to remove something then intergrate it)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 4811200, member: 67338"] well in there defence...swordmage and avanger are currently tied for 2nd best AC in game in theory...so a swordmage that focuses can be better (not as good better) then a plate and sheild paliden... [sblock=who does number 2 work for?]who or what you may ask is #1 best armor...well the Swordmage/Avanger Hybrid/paragon hybrid that has both features (armor of faith and warding) and can walk around with a 60+AC...I belive the opt board got the defs (all 4) to where no demon lord can hit on better then a 19 againts any def...and still a good offence, and lets not forget the roll 2d20 attacks, and negate damage if at someone else...[/sblock] I agree with 99% and the only thing I would do diffrent (and this is not me nit picking just giving some advice ignore me if you wish) use a 16 attack stat, it appears to me to be the min WotC set 16 + every up... [sblock=excel suggestion]by the way to moddfy the excel sheet to do att mods right use this form... =ROUNDDOWN((B2-10)/2,0) it will tell it to round down 0 decmil places... also you have expertise wrong see below...[/sblock] You seam to have your numbers slightly off You have expertise scaleing at 11 and 21 instead of 15 and 25... agree agree now I want to take a moment to point out this is where you and I differ, I see that the powers of the game change as you level...you see more dailys (all have effect or miss line) and you see some enconters with miss and/or effect lines...and sustains become more common, and auto hit, auto damage...yes hit chance goes down, but the rest of the system compansates.... ok...lets start not unreasnalbe... very well stated, and 100% agree... Ok I have to stop you there...Warlord hands out att bonus like candy... with utlity powers (no hit needed) extra attacks as effects (more rolls more chance to hit), and there biggest buff has a miss rider for said buff... two of the builds also give bonuses to hit with action points...Bard is shaping up to look the same... Clerics have atleast two diffrent utlity bonus to hit powers... and that is just off the top of my head...if your group wants to hit stack up on bonuses isn't trival, but it isn't impossble eaither... see above where I talk about miss effects and effects and more options... I some what agree, it was put there becuse SOME people felt there needed to be a latch, others did not, making it a feat made it an optional patch...each player to weigh it on there own... well I did find some PHBI feats that I loved, I can see where you are going with this... I said it before and I will say it again, they were WAY to consevative with the attack bonus feats in PHBI, and I think they realized that now...I do think they went too far, but hey I can live with it (I would rather expertise scale to +2 at 21st....and the race feats from arcan have been paragon +1 scale also at 21st...but not the point) Ok...I thank you for being very well spoken...well written, and explaning your stance... :eek: and here I thought we were going be friends... no way I love the swordmage...I think it is what has been missing since 1e...paliden is to cleric as ranger is to druid as swordmage is to wizard.... I do think the diff between sheidling and assalt is a joke, but with ensnareing you now have a choice to make...although I do think sheilding is just way too awsome Ok I missed that teleport, but I assume you mean swordburst...close burst 1 implment attack at will...or do you mean green flame blade?? I like both... I see no reason to insult rich baker...he made the class and is a pretty col guy.. I am glad you made some fun house rules, but I think the class was AOK on it's own... FRPG was core...Arcane power was CORE....so it was core expanding on core... this is one of the greatest things of 4e, I know that everything is lumped togather (easier to remove something then intergrate it) [/QUOTE]
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