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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4811942" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Like candy? That is a major over exaggeration.</p><p></p><p>To point out the flaw in the added synergies logic:</p><p></p><p>Warlod heroic levels...</p><p>Tactical Supervision (+int mod to basic att)</p><p></p><p>One attack. Total in an encounter. And it is a power bonus that does not stack with other power bonuses. Your earlier Dragon encounter would easily have 80 or more PC attacks in it. This is not handing out to hits like candy.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Unintended Feint (reroll att roll)</p><p></p><p>A Daily power to give one additional attack total. Adds +2 which does not stack with Combat Advantage (which the attacker might already have).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Instant Planning (way too much summerize)</p><p></p><p>Affects one round out of an entire day. And it is a power bonus that does not stack with other power bonuses.</p><p></p><p></p><p>paragon:</p><p>Side by side (+2 att, AC, and Ref)</p><p></p><p>This one is quasi-legitimate. It can last for an entire encounter (very conditional due to slides, shifts, flanking, etc.), but it is a Daily, so once per day. It is only a +2 power bonus and it only affects 2 PCs out of a party. The other 3 PCs are SOL.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Warlords banner (spend hs to heal and gain +2 att)</p><p></p><p>One round per encounter +2 power bonus.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Epic</p><p>Avenge me (You must drop, allies spend hs to heal and get +2 att and dam)</p><p></p><p>This one is quasi-legitimate once per day, but the Warlord has to go to zero hit points and of course, this does not stack with his other to hit boost powers. So, this would tend to be used late in an encounter if at all. Otherwise, it's a wasted power most days.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Blood thirsty (+2 power bonus to attack rolls against bloodied enemies.)</p><p></p><p>The bonus does not apply to non-bloodied foes, so it’s fairly useless for half of an encounter. And, it’s once per day. And, it grants Combat Advantage to all enemies against the Warlord. A major CON amongst the PROs. Also, same level as Avenge Me.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The point is, the Warlord cannot affect most rounds in an encounter. He cannot affect every PC. His bonuses are power bonuses which do not stack with other spells like Bless or even with his own powers. Sure, he can spike a given PC for a given attack a tiny bit, but the bonuses are few and far between. He is lucky if he can affect 10% of the attack rolls per day. This is a very small overall set of bonuses.</p><p></p><p>And what if the group does not have a Warlord? Clerics do not have as many ways to boost. Course, PHB Warlords do not have as many either, most of your examples here come from Martial Power.</p><p></p><p>But the most important thing is that the Warlord at heroic level (pre-math bug) has many of these same powers. In exchange for the math bug, he gets a few more such powers at Paragon and Epic level, many of them Dailies which last for a very short time. That’s not balance.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 4811942, member: 2011"] Like candy? That is a major over exaggeration. To point out the flaw in the added synergies logic: Warlod heroic levels... Tactical Supervision (+int mod to basic att) One attack. Total in an encounter. And it is a power bonus that does not stack with other power bonuses. Your earlier Dragon encounter would easily have 80 or more PC attacks in it. This is not handing out to hits like candy. Unintended Feint (reroll att roll) A Daily power to give one additional attack total. Adds +2 which does not stack with Combat Advantage (which the attacker might already have). Instant Planning (way too much summerize) Affects one round out of an entire day. And it is a power bonus that does not stack with other power bonuses. paragon: Side by side (+2 att, AC, and Ref) This one is quasi-legitimate. It can last for an entire encounter (very conditional due to slides, shifts, flanking, etc.), but it is a Daily, so once per day. It is only a +2 power bonus and it only affects 2 PCs out of a party. The other 3 PCs are SOL. Warlords banner (spend hs to heal and gain +2 att) One round per encounter +2 power bonus. Epic Avenge me (You must drop, allies spend hs to heal and get +2 att and dam) This one is quasi-legitimate once per day, but the Warlord has to go to zero hit points and of course, this does not stack with his other to hit boost powers. So, this would tend to be used late in an encounter if at all. Otherwise, it's a wasted power most days. Blood thirsty (+2 power bonus to attack rolls against bloodied enemies.) The bonus does not apply to non-bloodied foes, so it’s fairly useless for half of an encounter. And, it’s once per day. And, it grants Combat Advantage to all enemies against the Warlord. A major CON amongst the PROs. Also, same level as Avenge Me. The point is, the Warlord cannot affect most rounds in an encounter. He cannot affect every PC. His bonuses are power bonuses which do not stack with other spells like Bless or even with his own powers. Sure, he can spike a given PC for a given attack a tiny bit, but the bonuses are few and far between. He is lucky if he can affect 10% of the attack rolls per day. This is a very small overall set of bonuses. And what if the group does not have a Warlord? Clerics do not have as many ways to boost. Course, PHB Warlords do not have as many either, most of your examples here come from Martial Power. But the most important thing is that the Warlord at heroic level (pre-math bug) has many of these same powers. In exchange for the math bug, he gets a few more such powers at Paragon and Epic level, many of them Dailies which last for a very short time. That’s not balance. [/QUOTE]
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