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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 4812029" data-attributes="member: 67338">ok it is an exaggeration, but not a major one...I have played 2 tac lords, and one ispire lord through close to epic (27, 21, and 18) so I have some experaince here, these are just the utlitly powers...and tac lord (battle captian) thing was not a joke, i mean that is every round someone is getting something...or atleast close to it... what synergies logic??? these are diffrent powers that give bonuses...not some nova build, having some or all of these lets you effect multi attacks per day without needing to worry about useing an attack... maybe you misunderstood the point of this excersise...it was me disproving the 'you have to hit first for the buff to work' line of thought... you are correct, if it was your only power in those 20 rounds...but of cource you know it wont be...  yes a daily power that gives you the main stick of the avenger...once...seams good to me... who cares about stacking, you use this...then something else next round, not one nova buff again we are looking at these in a vacume.. no attack roll needed I'll be honnest I never used it, i just got it fromt he compandium, but it seams like a great party farwell...now at the darkest moment, healer down, my last words inspire the troops to push on... yes it is for half the combat, you now the same combat that you might have used other bonuses for...again I am not trying to stack +20 to hit here...I am showing you have options  have you seen a warlord in play??? becuse all we just went through are the utlities...look at the attack powers too, and you will see they lean alot to a group...heck check out the early char op boards they use to say tac lords were so broken  becuse they effected so much... yea, and a party that knows and has grown to work togather will use these to land important shots...I do think 10% is way low... then they find another way to buff... I will admit that, but they are better healers, and they are not without bonus giving powers (I AM NOT going to spend another hour at work going through another class after I was asked to support this once) it is suppose to balance out..if you feel the leaders are unbalanced, start a new thread...I know that Bards (have not played one yet but have been told) have simalar bonus...but i belive they debuff enemis (-2 ac instead of +2 att)   so what??? is there some special secert to useing all the books?? or am I suppose to argue against a book that cam out 9 months after PHBI withouut takeing anythign from those 9 months???      this seams silly...    wow really so they do the same stick from day one...like was promised... yes it is...it means a party with no leader can still win any fair fight...but one with a leader is better off and has an easier time. again if the math is broken show me an encounter that doesn't work...but show me a legal (lev+4-Lev-4) fight...</blockquote>

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