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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4824633" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Agreed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Also agreed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The other side of that coin is, how is WotC going to find out how many people actually take the feat, how many people houserule the feat in automatically, etc.? Reading the forums? A poll?</p><p></p><p>And even if they acquire that data somehow, what percentage is so high (for one of the best feats in the game system) that it should have its own rule? 60%? 70%? 90%? What part of that usage percentage is the feat is too good ("gotta have this" white noise) and what part of that usage percentage is the feat is required for balance / fun / speed up play (the actual information they are trying to find out)?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think the best way for them to find information of this nature out is to have WotC employees (or even volunteers) playtest a series of Heroic, Paragon, and Epic level encounters both with and without Expertise with the exact same PCs and the exact same encounters (for many types of PCs and many types of encounters) and record the exact outcomes of every single attack from both sides. This gives them statistical data on how often the PCs hit; how many rounds the encounters last; do these encounters work at different levels with minions, with solos, with elites; how do conditions affect the outcome, etc.</p><p></p><p>They're not going to find out anything accurate from vague notions of how many people take the Expertise feats.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 4824633, member: 2011"] Agreed. Also agreed. The other side of that coin is, how is WotC going to find out how many people actually take the feat, how many people houserule the feat in automatically, etc.? Reading the forums? A poll? And even if they acquire that data somehow, what percentage is so high (for one of the best feats in the game system) that it should have its own rule? 60%? 70%? 90%? What part of that usage percentage is the feat is too good ("gotta have this" white noise) and what part of that usage percentage is the feat is required for balance / fun / speed up play (the actual information they are trying to find out)? I think the best way for them to find information of this nature out is to have WotC employees (or even volunteers) playtest a series of Heroic, Paragon, and Epic level encounters both with and without Expertise with the exact same PCs and the exact same encounters (for many types of PCs and many types of encounters) and record the exact outcomes of every single attack from both sides. This gives them statistical data on how often the PCs hit; how many rounds the encounters last; do these encounters work at different levels with minions, with solos, with elites; how do conditions affect the outcome, etc. They're not going to find out anything accurate from vague notions of how many people take the Expertise feats. [/QUOTE]
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