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<blockquote data-quote="Aberzanzorax" data-source="post: 4766617" data-attributes="member: 64209">At Obryn:&nbsp;Thanks, and good point. &nbsp;Maybe the most basic thing that is necessary is that it is called D&amp;D. &nbsp;That eliminates a lot. &nbsp;However, (and I don't know enough about Judges Guild's history, so don't take this as libel)... if Judges Guild ripped off AD&amp;D 100%, or maybe Hackmaster did (I know that both are VERY close to D&amp;D). But really...100%...everything BUT the name. It doesn't meet the &quot;necessary&quot; component. But, 4e does met that necessary component.&nbsp;Which is arguably more D&amp;D?&nbsp;It's like saying a car has to have the name &quot;Honda&quot; on it to be a Honda. Take an actual Honda Passport and prise off the logo. Now it's not a Honda? (I guess I'm taking issue with the name as &quot;necessary&quot;). Conversely, many Honda Passports were actually made by Isuzu (my wife's was, in fact). They call them I-hondas...as they were made not by Honda, but by another company, in another factory, but with the same specifications.&nbsp;I get that certain things are more or less necessary, but is the name fully necessary? I question that as a black and white criteria.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aberzanzorax, post: 4766617, member: 64209"] At Obryn: Thanks, and good point. Maybe the most basic thing that is necessary is that it is called D&D. That eliminates a lot. However, (and I don't know enough about Judges Guild's history, so don't take this as libel)... if Judges Guild ripped off AD&D 100%, or maybe Hackmaster did (I know that both are VERY close to D&D). But really...100%...everything BUT the name. It doesn't meet the "necessary" component. But, 4e does met that necessary component. Which is arguably more D&D? It's like saying a car has to have the name "Honda" on it to be a Honda. Take an actual Honda Passport and prise off the logo. Now it's not a Honda? (I guess I'm taking issue with the name as "necessary"). Conversely, many Honda Passports were actually made by Isuzu (my wife's was, in fact). They call them I-hondas...as they were made not by Honda, but by another company, in another factory, but with the same specifications. I get that certain things are more or less necessary, but is the name fully necessary? I question that as a black and white criteria. [/QUOTE]

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