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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 4769255" data-attributes="member: 710">I like the distinction between "necessary" and "sufficient" conditions for something being D&D.The necessary is the name on the label. Probably also that's an RPG (but that already has its own problems and extra conditions <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ). The sufficient conditions can be manifold. The important thing about sufficient conditions are: There can be multiple, and even if you fail to qualify for one, you might qualify for another.In the end, the sufficient condition seem to be dependent on each individuals preferences. ---But what I actually hoped for to see in this thread - instead of edition comparisons and figuring out if any particularly edition of D&D is really D&D or just in brand only or whatever - Games that play very similar to D&D. Or games that look similar, but are actually very different. Or games that are totally unlike D&D, and how so.For example, I think Warhammer has a lot of similarities to D&D - many common races, an XP based system, fantasy, all that. But, if you look closer - the atmosphere is very different from the "standard D&D. Sure, you could do that with D&D, but the system alone helps this atmosphere. Magic is risky, even for experienced practitioners. The game has hit points, but it doesn't have the D&D style hit points that make you almost invulnerable for some time - in Warhammer, every hit can debilitate you, even the first in combat if you are not flat-footed. Fighting against superior numbers is extremely dangerous (you get only one parry and one dodge - if at all!)Torg is very different from D&D. Fantasy is just one subsetting, and it doesn't use Vancian magic, but a drain/backlash based model. There are no hit points in this system. Shock POints come close, but they don't kill, they just knock you out, actual wounds have their (integrated) subsystem.The similarity is mostly that it supports heroic action, like D&D typically does. You don't have hit points, but possibilites allow you to negate damage. But still, even if this is a similarity, it makes the game very different.</blockquote>

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