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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 2857955" data-attributes="member: 20805">Lorehead, you are correct to say that equal level expert/fighter with Skill Focus {that makes the skill a class skill} would be equally capable crafter.However, the point is that an equal level expert/fighter without the cost of the extra feat results in the expert being the more capable crafter. For a classed character, there is an additional cost {the feat or cross-class skill} to being as competant.Something that alot of people forget, mainly becuase I have not seen it in writing since the play-test phase of 3.x..... Max cross-class skills are supposed to be normal. Max class skills are superior abilities. A capable blacksmith is a Fighter who spent max points into the cross-class skill.This variant makes it easier/cheaper for an expert to be a capable blacksmith while still allowing {at a cost} for classed characters to acheive the same level.I think this makes the proposal meet its stated goals as it incurs a cost for a Fighter that the expert does not have to pay.As to Guilds, despite the PC-centric view most modules have, the setting should be more like the majority. PC's are supposedly rare and special, meaning discounting guild's built on low level craftmens based on Craft Magic Item feats is a very narrow view of the world at large.  I think this is one of the disconnects that drives this difference between us. I see a need for a world mechanic that favors the low level NPC classes as potential power bases. Yes, I could hand-wave this whole aspect {and often do} but the oddity of an adventurer being as capable at a craft as someone who spends all thier time focused on it... seems, well, odd.Is it worth fixing? For me.. yes. Altho I would not put that much work into it as the cost/benefit doesn't weigh too much in its favor.The other question is, does this come up in play? Umm.. for me, no. It really hasn't. Doesn't mean I don't want to tweak anyway!!<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Nyaricus, yes I meant Skill Focus provides +3 and makes that particular cascaded skill a class skill. So it would affect Craft{Silly Putty Sculptures} instead of Craft{ALL}If a substitution level thing were worked out, I would think it should be an expansion over currently available options.. My initial thought is to allow a Blacksmith leveled character to create masterwork items with special enhancements ala Black Company masterwork rules. You could limit the + of the masterwork to the # of levels in the substitution class.This would work very well for weapons/armor as we have a pre-built/balanced list of special abilities to kludge on. It would not work well for those Craft/Professions that do not tend towards this kind of thing.eh.. lunch break is about over.. I guess I should get back to work <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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