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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9286500" data-attributes="member: 42582">But it's not confused. It's very deliberate.A 4e standard creature is the mechanical equivalent (in general) of four minions. So the PC who fought one standard Ogre at upper Heroic tier can expect to face four of those Ogres, statted as minions, at mid Paragon tier.If, mechanically, the intention is to represent this without changing Ogre stat blocks, then you need some other device to make the PC about four times more effective vs the Ogre than they were 8 levels ago. The approach taken in 5e is increased to hit bonus (vs the Ogre's constant AC) and increased damage (via higher level spells, or multiple attacks, plus a bit of stat and feat-based growth).I don't know of any a priori argument that this will produce better game play. And given what I read about 5e combats, my impression is that 4e does a better job of producing compelling game play in the combat sphere than does 5e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 9286500, member: 42582"] But it's not [I]confused[/I]. It's very deliberate. A 4e standard creature is the mechanical equivalent (in general) of four minions. So the PC who fought one standard Ogre at upper Heroic tier can expect to face four of those Ogres, statted as minions, at mid Paragon tier. If, mechanically, the intention is to represent this without changing Ogre stat blocks, then you need some other device to make the PC about four times more effective vs the Ogre than they were 8 levels ago. The approach taken in 5e is increased to hit bonus (vs the Ogre's constant AC) and increased damage (via higher level spells, or multiple attacks, plus a bit of stat and feat-based growth). I don't know of any a priori argument that this will produce better game play. And given what I read about 5e combats, my impression is that 4e does a better job of producing compelling game play in the combat sphere than does 5e. [/QUOTE]

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