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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9286563" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Yes, you do.Because otherwise you get the &quot;this level 0 commoner has a 25% chance to deceive the Prince of Lies himself, while the Prince of Lies himself has a 25% chance to fail to deceive this level 0 commoner.&quot; A problem, I will note, that was actually raised and discussed during the D&amp;D Next playtest, more than a decade ago. And, of course, WotC did nothing whatsoever about it.The scaling, contra to what so many claim, actually does serve a very important function. It is what makes demigods terrifying to random farmboys, and random farmboys irrelevant to demigods. The rules themselves instruct the 4e DM to make use of this, by including combats sometimes much further outside the &quot;typical&quot; range than even [USER=42582]@pemerton[/USER] described--perhaps as far as -8 on the low end and +8 on the high end, as I explicitly said earlier, which is anywhere between a quarter and half of all possible creatures.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9286563, member: 6790260"] [I]Yes, you do[/I]. Because otherwise you get the "this level 0 commoner has a 25% chance to deceive [I]the Prince of Lies himself[/I], while [I]the Prince of Lies himself[/I] has a 25% chance to [I]fail[/I] to deceive this level 0 commoner." A problem, I will note, that was actually raised and discussed during the D&D Next playtest, more than a decade ago. And, of course, WotC did nothing whatsoever about it. The scaling, contra to what so many claim, actually does serve a very important function. It is what makes demigods terrifying to random farmboys, and random farmboys irrelevant to demigods. The rules themselves instruct the 4e DM to make use of this, by including combats sometimes [I]much[/I] further outside the "typical" range than even [USER=42582]@pemerton[/USER] described--perhaps as far as -8 on the low end and +8 on the high end, as I explicitly said earlier, which is anywhere between a quarter and half of [I]all possible creatures[/I]. [/QUOTE]

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