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<blockquote data-quote="ezo" data-source="post: 9286979" data-attributes="member: 7037866">So, lots of replies since this morning, and although appreciated I can't see much point in replying or continuing those particular dicussions.In 5E, no, not quite.When I first started 5E we had an encounter with our party versus orcs (yes, actually orcs LOL), and IIRC there was 84 of them in total. I don't think we ever faced more than 15 or so at once, as we killed some others moved in to fill the gaps (so to say). The combat lasted several hours, and in the end we had two PCs dead, two unconscious, and my dwarf still standing. He only survived due to a very good AC and having DR from heavy armor master. Now, RAW this wouldn't have worked since we were only 2nd or 3rd level, but we all got a feat at 1st level.Needless to say, it was an epic fight I'll probably never forget.In AD&amp;D, I was running a high-level game at this point, about 14th or 15th maybe, and our ranger had a challenge by an Elven god to face 100 ogres. The ranger defeated them all.For our games, both experiences were incredibly awesome. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />To hit rolls for Fighters improved a lot (+15 or 16 IIRC), but the other classes not quite as much.&quot;Ballooning&quot; is a subjective term, of course, so it makes such comparisons difficult (at best) to be valid.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ezo, post: 9286979, member: 7037866"] So, lots of replies since this morning, and although appreciated I can't see much point in replying or continuing those particular dicussions. In 5E, no, not quite. When I first started 5E we had an encounter with our party versus orcs (yes, actually orcs LOL), and IIRC there was 84 of them in total. I don't think we ever faced more than 15 or so at once, as we killed some others moved in to fill the gaps (so to say). The combat lasted several hours, and in the end we had two PCs dead, two unconscious, and my dwarf still standing. He only survived due to a very good AC and having DR from heavy armor master. Now, RAW this wouldn't have worked since we were only 2nd or 3rd level, but we all got a feat at 1st level. Needless to say, it was an epic fight I'll probably never forget. In AD&D, I was running a high-level game at this point, about 14th or 15th maybe, and our ranger had a challenge by an Elven god to face 100 ogres. The ranger defeated them all. For our games, both experiences were incredibly awesome. :D To hit rolls for Fighters improved a lot (+15 or 16 IIRC), but the other classes not quite as much. "Ballooning" is a subjective term, of course, so it makes such comparisons difficult (at best) to be valid. [/QUOTE]

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