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<blockquote data-quote="ezo" data-source="post: 9292851" data-attributes="member: 7037866">Yes, yes, all these examples of people who are &quot;busy&quot; and &quot;committed&quot; to other things, so can't be called lazy, but can't bother to learn the basics of a gamen which they voluntarily want to participate in? We aren't talking about &quot;memorising rule books&quot; or &quot;knowing every feature, bonus, etc.&quot; without ever having to references a book. We're talking about knowing how proficiency bonus works, how to calculate attacks, and being familiar your character.And for each such example, there are one (to several more) people who have very busy lives but do manage to learn the basics of the game, even if they can only spare the time to play once a month (or less!). In fact, many of them choose to learn more than the basics of the game, learn to run multiple characters, and even become DMs themselves--yes, even if only once a month.But none of it is helpful. The point is simply when someone says they want to do something, joins in, and fails to follow through to the point it is determental to the enjoyment of the other participants, then it becomes an issue. When these players are people I know outside of D&amp;D, their lives, habits, goals, etc. and I know them to be similarly &quot;lax&quot; in other areas of their lives, I take no issue with saying they are lazy. Yes, it is a judgement on my part and how I categorize them. I know I cannot expect them to follow through, and if or when they finally do, I'm glad to see it... and hope to see it repeated. However, there comes a time when them not showing up (sometimes literally) is too much. They are not just hurting themselves, but ruining it for others.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ezo, post: 9292851, member: 7037866"] Yes, yes, all these examples of people who are "busy" and "committed" to other things, so can't be called lazy, but can't bother to learn the [I]basics[/I] of a gamen which they voluntarily want to participate in? We aren't talking about "memorising rule books" or "knowing every feature, bonus, etc." without [I]ever[/I] having to references a book. We're talking about knowing how proficiency bonus works, how to calculate attacks, and being familiar your character. And for each such example, there are one (to several more) people who have very busy lives but [I]do[/I] manage to learn the basics of the game, even if they can only spare the time to play once a month (or less!). In fact, many of them choose to learn more than the basics of the game, learn to run multiple characters, and even become DMs themselves--yes, even if only once a month. But none of it is helpful. The point is simply when someone says they want to do something, joins in, and fails to follow through to the point it is determental to the enjoyment of the other participants, then it becomes an issue. When these players are people I know outside of D&D, their lives, habits, goals, etc. and I know them to be similarly "lax" in other areas of their lives, I take no issue with saying they are lazy. Yes, it is a judgement on my part and how I categorize them. I know I cannot expect them to follow through, and if or when they finally do, I'm glad to see it... and hope to see it repeated. However, there comes a time when them not showing up (sometimes [I]literally[/I]) is too much. They are not just hurting themselves, but ruining it for others. [/QUOTE]

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