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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 9294403" data-attributes="member: 29398">What's the point of a book club if not to read the books and then discuss them?Elementary school is different, as they kinda have to take anyone who is interested regardless of singing ability.&nbsp; Actual real choirs, however, would usually expect one to be able to both sing well enough to keep up, and to practice.Just because I might be interested in choir singing doesn't mean I should just be able to sign up for a choir and expect to become part of it; there's this little requirement called singing ability, without which they're quite justified in telling me to hit the road until and unless I can develop my singing to the point where I'm not undermining the abilities of everyone else.With gaming, it's not that there's necessarily a minimum expected ability required to start but more that there's a reasonable expectation that over the short-medium term players are going to &quot;learn the ropes&quot;, as it were, to a standard that suits the table they're at.&nbsp; That doesn't seem too much to ask.The explosion of popularity has little if anything to do with this issue.&nbsp; That said, one element that's helped 5e is that it seems a lot of groups have together all learned the game from scratch at once, somehting that really hasn't happend much otherwise since the early 80s heyday of 1e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 9294403, member: 29398"] What's the point of a book club if not to read the books and then discuss them? Elementary school is different, as they kinda have to take anyone who is interested regardless of singing ability. Actual real choirs, however, would usually expect one to be able to both sing well enough to keep up, and to practice. Just because I might be interested in choir singing doesn't mean I should just be able to sign up for a choir and expect to become part of it; there's this little requirement called singing ability, without which they're quite justified in telling me to hit the road until and unless I can develop my singing to the point where I'm not undermining the abilities of everyone else. With gaming, it's not that there's necessarily a minimum expected ability required to start but more that there's a reasonable expectation that over the short-medium term players are going to "learn the ropes", as it were, to a standard that suits the table they're at. That doesn't seem too much to ask. The explosion of popularity has little if anything to do with this issue. That said, one element that's helped 5e is that it seems a lot of groups have together all learned the game from scratch at once, somehting that really hasn't happend much otherwise since the early 80s heyday of 1e. [/QUOTE]

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