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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 1313770" data-attributes="member: 177">Hr.  I don't think you're a whiner, but I do think you're a bit off in a number of places.First and foremost - It doesn't seem to me that 3e was a "brave attempt to capture the mass market".  The target was always existing gamers.  Tabletop RPGs simply aren't a big enough seller to justify the large-scale advertising required to stretch the customer base.  Instead, 3e was a bit of an attempt at unification - bring more of the gamers under the D&D/d20 banner.  And at that I expect it has rather succeeded.If you look at it, the changes in 3.5e you mention (changes in phrasing and decency standards) are likely an attempt to make the product more acceptable to the mass market, rather than less.  The gamer market doesn't need the phrasing changes, and with most of us in our 20s and 30s, we don't need decency standards.  Those are all there to keep the thing sellable to teens who dont play yet.  Also - you completley ignore the advent of the OGL and d20 licences.  Nothing has opened up the gaming industry like those to WotC innovations.</blockquote>