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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mixmaster" data-source="post: 1316943" data-attributes="member: 472">Also, JasonT's remark about squares vs feet and Miniatures just come off as angst. I must assume that you are an old-timer, as you mention you've played 2nd ed.First of all, here's from the 3.0 Player's Handbook:To start playing the DUNGEONS & DRAGONS game, all you need arethe following:* The Player’s Handbook, which tells you how to create and play yourcharacter.* A copy of the character sheet.* A pencil and scratch paper (graph paper is nice to have, too).* One or two four-sided dice (d4), four or more six-sided dice (d6),an eight-sided die (d8), two ten-sided dice (d10), a twelve-sideddie (d12), and a twenty-sided die (d20).* A miniature figure, or at least something to represent yourcharacter in the game (even if it’s just a mark on paper).Your angst is out of context. 3.5 mentioned the group, 3.0 mentioned just the player. In fact, the writing of 3.5 is about the whole gaming group, including the DM while 3.0 seperates into player (PHB) and DM (DMG). Remember, D&D came from miniature rules. (Yeah I'm a Old Fart, what of it!). There was squares and movement. I find the mini rules very helpful for my groups (all newcomers or 1/2 AD&D's "coming home") The love it and can "feel" the ebb & flow in combat (AOO, Spell effects). You don't like minis because of price or painting skills (like me)? Buy Fiery Dragon counters and make copies at Kinko's.JM, "pancky" I like that! BTW: Love your Book of Enchantments, use it at the table.</blockquote>

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