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<blockquote data-quote="haakon1" data-source="post: 3179260" data-attributes="member: 25619">So are you against bad DM's, or are you saying that by definition, any DM who uses party-member NPC and grows found of it must be bad?&nbsp; If the latter, that's seems a bit broad.I think the party-member NPC/DM PC is just an option tool, kinda like using or not using mechanical pencils.&nbsp; I don't see the bearing on the goodness or badness of the DM usng the tool.I'm so sick of bumbling sidekick NPCs!&nbsp; Any DM who uses them is a bad DM, since they're all ripped off the move &quot;Stagecoach&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious&nbsp; &nbsp; :]" data-shortname=":]" /> I think you're right that a GM without players is just another unpublished writer.But I think you're wrong to implicitly denigrate that.&nbsp; The reason artists are traditionally &quot;starving&quot; artists?&nbsp; Because they don't make the stuff for the Holiday Inn sale of the month -- they make what satisfies them as an artist.&nbsp; Sometimes that sells; sometimes it doesn't.&nbsp; If Lord of the Rings wasn't accepted for publication, Tolkien would still be a genius . . . we just wouldn't know it.&nbsp; It'd be really awesome if you found the manuscript, eh?I disagree with the first part philosophically, but for all practical purposes, I do agree.I'm a DM because I love creating this stuff, I enjoy the game more than the other folks so I don't get to play if I don't organize it, and to a much lesser extent it's an interesting challenge dealing with the three-ring circus of running a game.&nbsp; I enjoy giving it as a gift to my players, but if they don't want to play, no big deal.&nbsp; Somebody else will.&nbsp; I'll play it how I see it, because to compromise &quot;my artistic integrity&quot; by listening to the idea of &quot;bad DM, you can't like your NPC's and treat them fully realized characters&quot; just wouldn't suit me.The funny thing is, I know Gygax would diss me for calling D&amp;D art, and I see his point, but to me there does seem to be a similarity . . . not high art, or art with a large audience, but it fills the same needs to create and to express and to imagine, I think.&nbsp; I dunno, I'm just a singer, not a painter or whatever . . . who's sung to big audiences, small audiences, and myself . . . I just like it and the audience's opinion isn't the primary motivator.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="haakon1, post: 3179260, member: 25619"] So are you against bad DM's, or are you saying that by definition, any DM who uses party-member NPC and grows found of it must be bad? If the latter, that's seems a bit broad. I think the party-member NPC/DM PC is just an option tool, kinda like using or not using mechanical pencils. I don't see the bearing on the goodness or badness of the DM usng the tool. I'm so sick of bumbling sidekick NPCs! Any DM who uses them is a bad DM, since they're all ripped off the move "Stagecoach". :] I think you're right that a GM without players is just another unpublished writer. But I think you're wrong to implicitly denigrate that. The reason artists are traditionally "starving" artists? Because they don't make the stuff for the Holiday Inn sale of the month -- they make what satisfies them as an artist. Sometimes that sells; sometimes it doesn't. If Lord of the Rings wasn't accepted for publication, Tolkien would still be a genius . . . we just wouldn't know it. It'd be really awesome if you found the manuscript, eh? I disagree with the first part philosophically, but for all practical purposes, I do agree. I'm a DM because I love creating this stuff, I enjoy the game more than the other folks so I don't get to play if I don't organize it, and to a much lesser extent it's an interesting challenge dealing with the three-ring circus of running a game. I enjoy giving it as a gift to my players, but if they don't want to play, no big deal. Somebody else will. I'll play it how I see it, because to compromise "my artistic integrity" by listening to the idea of "bad DM, you can't like your NPC's and treat them fully realized characters" just wouldn't suit me. The funny thing is, I know Gygax would diss me for calling D&D art, and I see his point, but to me there does seem to be a similarity . . . not high art, or art with a large audience, but it fills the same needs to create and to express and to imagine, I think. I dunno, I'm just a singer, not a painter or whatever . . . who's sung to big audiences, small audiences, and myself . . . I just like it and the audience's opinion isn't the primary motivator. [/QUOTE]

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