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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6040393" data-attributes="member: 2067">I've compared skill checks to attack rolls in this thread, and I think the basic comparison holds. It's not exactly a lot of fun just to roll dice until something happens.That's why part of my criticisms of SC's above involved a lack of unique player variation, and part of what lead me to post the thread in the first place.Think of the original playtest Fighter. He could use all the weapons and armor, and he had the biggest bonus with them. He was clearly the Best At Fighting. Yet, a big bonus and immense versatility wasn't exactly enough -- so the game added expertise dice, and It Was Good.I think the rogue sits in the same boat, but for Exploration. Giving the rogue all the skills and giving the rogue the biggest bonus with them isn't enough. Okay, it makes them the Best At Exploring, but a big bonus and lots of options isn't enough. The game needs to add some engaging exploration rules to keep the rogue awesome, just as it needed more detailed combat elements to help out the fighter. [sblock=Minor Rant]For me, I believe that the kind of rogue I want to play would be a consummate spy and infiltrator. Less about rocking in combat and more about avoiding combat entirely, my ideal rogue helps her party out not really by killing goblins (mostly the fighter's job), but by sneaking by some goblins to avoid a fight, or by bluffing some goblins and get out of an ambust, or by gently removing the MacGuffin from the sleeping gobiln's pouch...When I imagine what my thief looks like when it's being awesome, it's this:<img src="http://cdn.obsidianportal.com/images/30451/thief.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />Or this:<img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-t21VDO9xYEk/TnkqwI70XhI/AAAAAAAAAN0/QZ-xUhKT6LM/s1600/20080102_drdd_1.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />Or this:<img src="http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/cx_gallery/86368.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />The challenges they're facing aren't combat challenges. They're not darting in and out of melee, tumbling and rolling and stabbing everything as they go. They're not a Lightly Armored Quick Fighter (IMO, the fighter should be able to do that!). And to make the challenges they ARE facing more interesting to play through, we're going to need more than just roll...roll...roll...we're gonna need options and variety and the ability for Rogues to be different than Rangers who should be distinct from Druids who don't do things the same as Barbarians who...you get the idea.[/sblock]</blockquote>

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