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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DerHauptman" data-source="post: 3069725" data-attributes="member: 39988">Zurd stands open mouthed at Lokins little lecture - he thought he'd be more logical about it all...The bottom line is that no one trusts each other in this group...Everyone thinks they know best....However, only a couple are willing to speak up, making plans and taking action...that is leadership, few have the capacity for it.   There is no shortage of talk in the group, oh no, but usually after the fact...Thats not helpful at all, anyone can sit there and find fault with actions after they are taken...   <points at Lokin> I'm not talking about you either you are helpful...Now, I had a plan, yea and I think it was a good one...I made it up as I went sure they are all like that.  The situation was complicated.  Did I misrepresent myself?  Hell yea, perhaps I should have instead said - "Hi, me and the humans here (your mortal enemies and favorite meal) are here to kill you and take your gold - perhaps you could lead us to it?   How the hell did my subterfuge and deception cost us anything?  The clever use of that deception got us all the way into their treasure chamber without a scratch and an invitation to a gift of enough value that the chief himself went to fetch it?  It got us a head count of the clan, the name and history of their lines, information that given the benefit of a doubt and some trust could have turned us into the defacto leaders of the tribe and local rulers without so much as a sword stroke - I cause this how?  As for passing it on...I didn't know if they spoke common or not so I passed the information on to the party member I thought I could have a plausible reason to whisper to - Payne.   Whispering to each other all the time and just blurting it out would have been the same as just yelling charge, did they speak out language.   They are orcs not idiots they are warriors - they would have known something was up with all the talking and whispering.  She knew what the plan was - and given the trust I needed to ge it carried out it would have worked like a charm.  We intended to kill them - sure we did but "after" we found out where everything was!  Was it comfortable for her to act like my mate - no it wasn't and I appreciate her going to that extreme for the plan.  I know it was uncomfortable for her.   , She's a professional - a part of the team working to accomplish the goal smartly.Now what did I ask anyone else to do that was so distasteful that you'd risk all our lives to not have to endure it any further - nothing!  What could be that horrible to endure for you all? All you had to do was drink some <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ale and eat a dead lizardmen - and Kyle, who was using his head obviously, got you all out of that one...  Good job Kyle, made me smile when he got you out of that - I felt bad but thought that surely some poor food and ale was worth not having to risk your lives for the treasure we'd have.  Eat a dead lizardmen, drink some stale beer, act like you could tolerate some orcs and we'd all be rich with no risk at all to life and limb.   Payne almost died because of this BS - why?  Because they oogled her - big frigging deal, they were not gonna do anything... She was dealing with it, why Kol couldn't deal with it is for him to explain - we'd have gotten our revenge and laughed all the Way to the bank.   We were their guests - ignorance and lack of trust....almost almost Payne her life....I asked no one to do anything they would find distasteful - Payne and I would do the killing in their sleep, you'd all have a guilt free conscience.   Actually, I thought I considered everyone's feelings about their roles, limitations and desires pretty well when I made the plan.  We all got the reward in the end but those who found the method distasteful could sleep well knowing they had little to do with it.   Also, I asked Payne to include Kol into the plan for killing the orcs in their sleep if she thought he could handle it.  Would have been more plausible for her to be talking to him latter than me to continue to coordinate with you all.    Again, given trust and the benefit of the doubt I think it was a good plan and given some time to develop the situation we could have passed all the information out but impatience almost killed Payne and may - considering there may be more orcs out there, have killed us all. Who knows.   As for me helping after my plan was blown - I killed 3 orcs myself and I scared the other 3 off with a death threat...I think I did my part there.   Now, as you said, lets get on with it...I'll fight beside you all out of honoring my word but if we are going to go walking into every situation with our pants down because we can't control our emotions leave me out of the planning.  Lets just run through the complex yelling ugh, ugh, ugh and killing everything.....Seems to have worked so far...</blockquote>

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