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<blockquote data-quote="rmcoen" data-source="post: 9408432" data-attributes="member: 6692404">I'm basically with [USER=32075]@Edgar Ironpelt[/USER] .... if it's on your sheet, you have it.&nbsp; If it's not on your sheet, and you decide to have it, I'm probably okay with it... and now make a note of it on your sheet.&nbsp; Yesterday we didn't have a reason to know your mom was a Wainwright, today we do, how convenient -- but you've just filled some of that unknown/blankspace in your history.Now if you wrote me a 15-page backstory, because you're That Guy (and, to be fair, I tend to be That Guy), and Wainwright isn't mentioned anywhere, then you aren't doing anything more difficult than &quot;everyman&quot; level work.And here's where 5e both succeeds and fails.&nbsp; You can try anything with an attribute check.&nbsp; There's no &quot;Forensics&quot; or &quot;Ogre Anatomy&quot; skills, but we can finagle a check with INT and maybe a bonus for proficiency in Medicine.&nbsp; Hurrah!&nbsp; But there's also no line drawn - read &quot;5e requires GM ruling here&quot; - for who can attempt something.&nbsp; i.e. what's the &quot;Everyman&quot; level of skill.&nbsp; Anyone can try to hide, but it takes skill to hide behind something small, and more to do so during combat; the Grandmaster can supposedly hide in his own shadow!&nbsp; Likewise, anyone can look at a corpse, blood splatter, and the obvious wounds and make a guess at cause of death (INT check); maybe only someone with proficiency in Medicine can even try to roll, though, to note that the person died moments before the sword strike?&nbsp; And, further, it would take time and a high roll to suss out that they died of psychic damage before the wound.&nbsp; And no, untrained INT 20 wizard, I don't care that you got a nat20 - you don't have the knowledge necessary to look at the corpse and even think &quot;I should autopsy the brain matter&quot;.&nbsp; [Although, maybe because of the nat20 and result of &quot;25&quot;, I take pity and tell you there's something fishy about the bloody sword wound... and you should get someone with training to get involved.]Here, Pathfinder both fails and succeeds.&nbsp; They have broken skills down into &quot;everyman&quot;, and various levels of training.&nbsp; Cool, I can look at that and know my Basic training in Stealth means I can hide in trees, but not behind them.&nbsp; It doesn't say I can hide behind big creatures though, soooo.... I guess I won't try?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="rmcoen, post: 9408432, member: 6692404"] I'm basically with [USER=32075]@Edgar Ironpelt[/USER] .... if it's on your sheet, you have it. If it's not on your sheet, and you decide to have it, I'm probably okay with it... and now make a note of it on your sheet. Yesterday we didn't have a reason to know your mom was a Wainwright, today we do, how convenient -- but you've just filled some of that unknown/blankspace in your history. Now if you wrote me a 15-page backstory, because you're That Guy (and, to be fair, [I]I[/I] tend to be That Guy), and Wainwright isn't mentioned anywhere, then you aren't doing anything more difficult than "everyman" level work. And here's where 5e both succeeds and fails. You can try anything with an attribute check. There's no "Forensics" or "Ogre Anatomy" skills, but we can finagle a check with INT and maybe a bonus for proficiency in Medicine. Hurrah! But there's also no line drawn - read "5e requires GM ruling here" - for who can attempt something. i.e. what's the "Everyman" level of skill. Anyone can try to hide, but it takes skill to hide behind something small, and more to do so during combat; the Grandmaster can supposedly hide in his own shadow! Likewise, anyone can look at a corpse, blood splatter, and the obvious wounds and make a guess at cause of death (INT check); maybe only someone with proficiency in Medicine can even try to roll, though, to note that the person died moments before the sword strike? And, further, it would take time [I]and[/I] a high roll to suss out that they died of [I]psychic[/I] damage before the wound. And no, untrained INT 20 wizard, I don't care that you got a nat20 - you don't have the knowledge necessary to look at the corpse and even think "I should autopsy the brain matter". [Although, maybe because of the nat20 and result of "25", I take pity and tell you there's something fishy about the bloody sword wound... and you should get someone with training to get involved.] Here, Pathfinder both fails and succeeds. They have broken skills down into "everyman", and various levels of training. Cool, I can look at that and know my Basic training in Stealth means I can hide in trees, but not behind them. It doesn't say I can hide behind big creatures though, soooo.... I guess I won't try? [/QUOTE]

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