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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pming" data-source="post: 6874109" data-attributes="member: 45197">Hiya!Don't think of Multiattack as just a "combo" of Attack. Think of Multiattack as Firebreath. Would you let the barbarian get away with "3 Attacks"...of Firebreath? When a bear attacks, it can Attack (re: anything that falls under 'attack action'...like a claw, shove, trip, grapple, or whatever else an 'attack' would be, just like anyone else)...or...the bear can choose to fore go his "Attack" action and in stead make a special "Multiattack" special power/ability/dohicky.Personally, I'm a LOT more strict with shapechanging. Always have been...except for the actual 9th level magic-user spell of the same name (that I always just let it go as is and opened up the flood gates of power). Anyone who changes form, doesn't get to keep anything he could do in is 'normal form'...they get all the normal stuff they get for their new form. So a barbarian/druid changing into a bear is, basically, "just a bear, with the characters mind in it". The way I see it, the barbarian gets his Extra Attack because he knows his body. He knows what it can do and what it can't. He knows the weight of his weapons and how they can be used best with that knowledge. He knows how to turn this way or that so that attacks against him have a harder time to hit, and if they do, they hit in the locations he wants them to. As soon as he turns into a bear...all that training (knowledge of how to 'do' all that stuff with his normal form) goes out the window. It's like if I (an overweight 5'6" male) was polymorphed into a 6'2", 280 pound muscle-bound sweed. I'd probably have a hard time walking let alone fighting. Make that sweed form a bear and now I'm definitly having difficulty walking...four legs and all that...and fighting? LOL! No toes to keep balance, pivot, etc that I'm used to...no opposable thumbs...and suddenly having to attempt "claw/claw/bite"? No freaking way is that going to work out very well. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />That's my stance on it. Shapechanging in my game is for RP effect and "form usefulness". A character shapechanged into a bear isn't doing it for combat...he's doing it so that he can smell stuff better to track the orcs...or he's doing it to carry the half-dead 6'2" sweed back to town...or he's doing it to scare the ever living stuffing out of a trio of highway men intent on robbing "that old farmer guy coming down the road in his wagon" (...I'm not a farmer...Surprise! Muthf'a! RAARRWRRWWRRR! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ). In a nutshell...I don't want a "shapechanged 3rd level Barbarian" to be better at fighting than a "5th level Barbarian" (this goes for ANY class, basically....if shapechanging into something else suddenly makes the barbarian a better barbarian, there's something seriously wrong...IMHO, of course).^_^Paul L. Ming</blockquote>

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