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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 6874901" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>See my statement above. It seems his Sage advice directly countradicts what is written in the PHB if that is what he stated. At least in my interpretation. </p><p></p><p>However, I WOULD AGREE, that for the rules as indicated or RAI, that Extra Attack and multi attack are not supposed to stack.</p><p></p><p>I gave my reasons in a post prior up the thread.</p><p></p><p>Either that, or under Crawford's specific definition, there's a whole slew of items that suddenly don't count as an attack (including, ironically, attacks done with bonus actions, extra attacks, and occasionally just the straightforward attack with a shortsword, longsword, bow, dagger, etc).</p><p></p><p>I think this could be up to a DM's ruling, to tell the truth, and I'm fine with that. I think there are a few other limiting factors (as others have pointed out already) that make it so that even if they do this, it's not a constant thing they spam every single combat.</p><p></p><p>Edit: I would like to clarify something that is hinted at throughout the PHB, and even the DMG, and further clarified in the MM...it's what I've been pointing out. That there is a difference between Single Melee attack and when multi attack is possible. This is why Extra Attack SPECIFIES ONCE or that it works when ONE attack is taken. The MM also specifies that there are different types of attack actions, most normally as a melee weapon attack, a ranged weapon attack, or otherwise.</p><p></p><p>It is a DM decision, but a DM could determine just like the Sage Advice, and determine Multiattack is merely a new and different type of action (outside of those defined in the PHB or other core books). This would then also apply to Extra Attacks as well, as they are also very similar to Multi Attack and NOT a single attack. In that instance, I think it creates a bigger problem because then it's not a matter of whether Extra Attacks are an attack action or not, but whether it counts as another type of action, and how to or when it can be twisted to be utilized as such (Aka...could you do extra attacks as an action and a bonus action with Multi attack or vice versa or other attempts by players to twist the wording).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 6874901, member: 4348"] See my statement above. It seems his Sage advice directly countradicts what is written in the PHB if that is what he stated. At least in my interpretation. However, I WOULD AGREE, that for the rules as indicated or RAI, that Extra Attack and multi attack are not supposed to stack. I gave my reasons in a post prior up the thread. Either that, or under Crawford's specific definition, there's a whole slew of items that suddenly don't count as an attack (including, ironically, attacks done with bonus actions, extra attacks, and occasionally just the straightforward attack with a shortsword, longsword, bow, dagger, etc). I think this could be up to a DM's ruling, to tell the truth, and I'm fine with that. I think there are a few other limiting factors (as others have pointed out already) that make it so that even if they do this, it's not a constant thing they spam every single combat. Edit: I would like to clarify something that is hinted at throughout the PHB, and even the DMG, and further clarified in the MM...it's what I've been pointing out. That there is a difference between Single Melee attack and when multi attack is possible. This is why Extra Attack SPECIFIES ONCE or that it works when ONE attack is taken. The MM also specifies that there are different types of attack actions, most normally as a melee weapon attack, a ranged weapon attack, or otherwise. It is a DM decision, but a DM could determine just like the Sage Advice, and determine Multiattack is merely a new and different type of action (outside of those defined in the PHB or other core books). This would then also apply to Extra Attacks as well, as they are also very similar to Multi Attack and NOT a single attack. In that instance, I think it creates a bigger problem because then it's not a matter of whether Extra Attacks are an attack action or not, but whether it counts as another type of action, and how to or when it can be twisted to be utilized as such (Aka...could you do extra attacks as an action and a bonus action with Multi attack or vice versa or other attempts by players to twist the wording). [/QUOTE]
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