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<blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 6874914">But as&nbsp; [MENTION=6787503]Hriston[/MENTION] points out, making an attack and taking the Attack Action are not synonymous.&nbsp; Many spells require an attack roll, but casting a spell is an Action (unless it specifies otherwise, and then its not), but it's not an Attack Action it's Casting a Spell, which is an Action.&nbsp; Per my periodic table of elements example: both are atoms, but one is Helium, the other is Lead.&nbsp; Both are Atoms, just as Casting a Spell and taking the Attack Action are both Actions, but Casting a Spell with an attack roll is not an Attack Action.&nbsp; That's not simple.&nbsp; That's confusing.&nbsp; That's weird and fiddly.&nbsp; Worse, some spells with attack rolls are not Actions, they are Bonus Actions.&nbsp; 5E utilizes the same Action system 4E does.&nbsp; You have &quot;slots&quot;, Action, Bonus Action(sometimes, often if granted or triggered only), (Free Action).&nbsp; You can choose to insert specific blocks that fit into these slots.&nbsp; When you take the Attack Action you typically can make one or more attacks.&nbsp; Though you can do Other Things(TM) instead of that as an Action, such as Cast a Spell.&nbsp; Unfortunately, 5E completely mangled the Action Economy in doing so.&nbsp; It's one of the reasons 5E's Turn system is so incredibly clunky and their use of &quot;natural language&quot; makes it confusing on top of that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sunseeker, post: 6874914"] But as [MENTION=6787503]Hriston[/MENTION] points out, making an attack and taking the [B]Attack Action[/B] are [I]not[/I] synonymous. Many spells require an attack roll, but casting a spell is an Action (unless it specifies otherwise, and then its not), but it's not an [B]Attack Action[/B] it's Casting a Spell, which is an Action. Per my periodic table of elements example: both are atoms, but one is Helium, the other is Lead. Both are Atoms, just as Casting a Spell and taking the Attack Action are both Actions, but Casting a Spell with an attack roll is not an Attack Action. That's not simple. That's confusing. That's [I]weird[/I] and fiddly. Worse, some spells with attack rolls are [I]not[/I] Actions, they are Bonus Actions. 5E utilizes the same Action system 4E does. You have "slots", Action, Bonus Action(sometimes, often if granted or triggered only), (Free Action). You can choose to insert specific blocks that fit into these slots. When you take the Attack Action you typically can make one or more attacks. Though you can do Other Things(TM) [I]instead[/I] of that as an Action, such as Cast a Spell. Unfortunately, 5E completely mangled the Action Economy in doing so. It's one of the reasons 5E's Turn system is so incredibly clunky and their use of "natural language" makes it confusing on top of that. [/QUOTE]

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