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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5419798" data-attributes="member: 35909">You can't hurt yourself picking up a few caster classes for one level for item use access, just stick to the same one or (if you want to have arcane and divine magic) two mental stats and MAD won't be so awful.&nbsp; Only getting BAB from full BAB classes would be awful, though.OP: As FEADIN said, each of the original 4 Complete books (Warrior [Hexblade, Swashbuckler, Samurai], Adventurer [Ninja, Scout, Spellthief], Divine [Favored Soul, Shugenja, Spirit Shaman], and Arcane [Warlock, Warmage, Wu Jen]) have 3 new base classes.&nbsp; Mage, Scoundrel, and Champion do not have any new base classes.PHB 2 has Beguiler, Dragon Shaman, Duskblade,, Knight, possibly something else I'm forgetting.Dungeonscape has Factotum only, but I'd value that one class better than the sevral ones found in some other books combined.Tome of Battle has Warblade, Crusader, and Swordsage.Eberron Campaign Setting has Artificer.I think it's Libris Mortis that has the 20 level necro class, iirc it's the &quot;Dread Necromancer.&quot;&nbsp; Or it could be &quot;true Necromancer.&quot;&nbsp; One's a more than 10 level prestige class and I always confuse the two.Miniatures Handbook has the Marshal.Dragon Magic has Dragonfire Adept.Dragon Compendium volume 1 (contains various dragon mag rules) has Battle Dancer and a number of other base classes that I don't recall offhand.Magic of Incarnum has Incarnate, Soulbound, and Totemist.It's in the online SRD but not actually core, so obviously... Psion, Wilder, Soulknife, and Psychic Warrior in Expanded Psionics Handbook.&nbsp; Then in Complete Mage, a book I suggest you pay no attention to, there is Lurker, Ardent, and iirc &quot;Divine Mind&quot;.&nbsp; All of them suck, as does that entire awful book.And many of the new classes are less powerful than their closest core rivals, not to mention weaker than primary spellcasters in general.&nbsp; Particularly, WotC seems to hate Asian themed stuff, since each of those classes (one in each complete book, possibly 2 in C.Divine if Spirit Shaman counts) are utterly terrible.&nbsp; Compared to their core counterparts.&nbsp; Which means Wu Jen as a weak wizard is still decent, and Samurai as a gimped Fighter is worse than some NPC classes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5419798, member: 35909"] You can't hurt yourself picking up a few caster classes for one level for item use access, just stick to the same one or (if you want to have arcane and divine magic) two mental stats and MAD won't be so awful. Only getting BAB from full BAB classes would be awful, though. OP: As FEADIN said, each of the original 4 Complete books (Warrior [Hexblade, Swashbuckler, Samurai], Adventurer [Ninja, Scout, Spellthief], Divine [Favored Soul, Shugenja, Spirit Shaman], and Arcane [Warlock, Warmage, Wu Jen]) have 3 new base classes. Mage, Scoundrel, and Champion do not have any new base classes. PHB 2 has Beguiler, Dragon Shaman, Duskblade,, Knight, possibly something else I'm forgetting. Dungeonscape has Factotum only, but I'd value that one class better than the sevral ones found in some other books [i]combined[/i]. Tome of Battle has Warblade, Crusader, and Swordsage. Eberron Campaign Setting has Artificer. I think it's Libris Mortis that has the 20 level necro class, iirc it's the "Dread Necromancer." Or it could be "true Necromancer." One's a more than 10 level prestige class and I always confuse the two. Miniatures Handbook has the Marshal. Dragon Magic has Dragonfire Adept. Dragon Compendium volume 1 (contains various dragon mag rules) has Battle Dancer and a number of other base classes that I don't recall offhand. Magic of Incarnum has Incarnate, Soulbound, and Totemist. It's in the online SRD but not actually core, so obviously... Psion, Wilder, Soulknife, and Psychic Warrior in Expanded Psionics Handbook. Then in Complete Mage, a book I suggest you pay no attention to, there is Lurker, Ardent, and iirc "Divine Mind". All of them suck, as does that entire awful book. And many of the new classes are less powerful than their closest core rivals, not to mention weaker than primary spellcasters in general. Particularly, WotC seems to hate Asian themed stuff, since each of those classes (one in each complete book, possibly 2 in C.Divine if Spirit Shaman counts) are utterly terrible. Compared to their core counterparts. Which means Wu Jen as a weak wizard is still decent, and Samurai as a gimped Fighter is worse than some NPC classes. [/QUOTE]

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