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<blockquote data-quote="Theo R Cwithin" data-source="post: 5476667" data-attributes="member: 75712"><p>There are very rational reasons one might acept the FAQ ruling, none of which are objectively "stupid". <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p>Fair enough; I actually agree it's underpowered, especially for spell prep classes (though there are campaign specific cases for which it could be quite useful). However, I'd also point out there's no rule that a feat has to be useful to all classes. What use is Mounted Combat to a dungeon crawling fighter? Just because it's a "fighter feat" doesn't mean it has to be especially useful to all fighters. Likewise, Extra Spell doesn't have to be especially useful to all casters.</p><p>It's not always that obvious, though. First, many spells list 2 or more classes that can take the spell at different levels. Which level do you go with? Second, the fact that different classes take different spells at different levels suggests that there are reasons for balancing things that way. </p><p></p><p>Consider a XXX/Assassin8. Would you let him take Scrying using the Extra Spell feat? Scrying is a Brd 3, Clr 5, Drd 4, Sor/Wiz 4. So which one is most appropriate for an assassin? Bard casts it at 3rd, and that's one less than this assassin's max castable spell level of 4th, so score! Or is it? Is <em>any</em> of those CLs for the assassin truly appropriate, considering Clairvoyance is a already a 4th level spell for him, and Scrying is way beyond it on the scale of Divination spells?</p><p></p><p>Honestly, I don't think there's any problem using your more liberal ruling, as long as the little obvious issues that pop up are dealt with consistently.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Theo R Cwithin, post: 5476667, member: 75712"] There are very rational reasons one might acept the FAQ ruling, none of which are objectively "stupid". ;) Fair enough; I actually agree it's underpowered, especially for spell prep classes (though there are campaign specific cases for which it could be quite useful). However, I'd also point out there's no rule that a feat has to be useful to all classes. What use is Mounted Combat to a dungeon crawling fighter? Just because it's a "fighter feat" doesn't mean it has to be especially useful to all fighters. Likewise, Extra Spell doesn't have to be especially useful to all casters. It's not always that obvious, though. First, many spells list 2 or more classes that can take the spell at different levels. Which level do you go with? Second, the fact that different classes take different spells at different levels suggests that there are reasons for balancing things that way. Consider a XXX/Assassin8. Would you let him take Scrying using the Extra Spell feat? Scrying is a Brd 3, Clr 5, Drd 4, Sor/Wiz 4. So which one is most appropriate for an assassin? Bard casts it at 3rd, and that's one less than this assassin's max castable spell level of 4th, so score! Or is it? Is [I]any[/I] of those CLs for the assassin truly appropriate, considering Clairvoyance is a already a 4th level spell for him, and Scrying is way beyond it on the scale of Divination spells? Honestly, I don't think there's any problem using your more liberal ruling, as long as the little obvious issues that pop up are dealt with consistently. [/QUOTE]
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