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<blockquote data-quote="ARandomGod" data-source="post: 1904740" data-attributes="member: 17296"><p>But it *has* to be the other way around to be .. 'appropriate'. A vague 3.0 ruling clarified by a 3.5 rule is fine, but I can't countenance the theory that this 3.5 rule is vague because it lacks wording that people wish were there. Just because people wish it said more does not mean that it's vague because it does not.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It states that it doesn't allow this in 3.0. It does not state that in 3.5. Hence, without a separate FAQ or errata or official ruling, the Rules As Written do indeed allow it in 3.5</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The precedent might... but it's definitely a house rule to say that the older feat wording take precedent over the newer wording of a feat. Sure, it may be a "typo", or even poor writing, I won't argue that it's not. On the other hand, I would definitely argue that there are a LOT of poorly worded feats and spells out there, and this one, as written, does allow you to choose any spell, and does not have a restriction of "arcane only" on it. Hence, to add such a restriction has to be a house rule *by definition*. Saying "I don't think they meant that", and even stating "only a moron could possibly have meant that" doesn't invalidate the fact that, as written, the darkness spell <em>creates light</em>. Er... Um... I mean this feat allows a caster to learn any type of spell as it currently is.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course, you can say anything. ^_^</p><p>And I've certainly seen (and encourage, and approve of) the various debates about the rules. I myself, on the other hand, won't even say "that's your interpretation", so much as I'll say that, apparently: "that's what you wish it said", and even "that's what you think it should say". But I won't say that it's your interpretation so much as I'll point out that it's your attempt to alter the reality so that it'll be the way you want it to. And I'm impressed with either your intelligence or charisma, depending on which you used to attempt that spell. ~_^</p><p></p><p>PS, would that allow a will save?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ARandomGod, post: 1904740, member: 17296"] But it *has* to be the other way around to be .. 'appropriate'. A vague 3.0 ruling clarified by a 3.5 rule is fine, but I can't countenance the theory that this 3.5 rule is vague because it lacks wording that people wish were there. Just because people wish it said more does not mean that it's vague because it does not. It states that it doesn't allow this in 3.0. It does not state that in 3.5. Hence, without a separate FAQ or errata or official ruling, the Rules As Written do indeed allow it in 3.5 The precedent might... but it's definitely a house rule to say that the older feat wording take precedent over the newer wording of a feat. Sure, it may be a "typo", or even poor writing, I won't argue that it's not. On the other hand, I would definitely argue that there are a LOT of poorly worded feats and spells out there, and this one, as written, does allow you to choose any spell, and does not have a restriction of "arcane only" on it. Hence, to add such a restriction has to be a house rule *by definition*. Saying "I don't think they meant that", and even stating "only a moron could possibly have meant that" doesn't invalidate the fact that, as written, the darkness spell [i]creates light[/i]. Er... Um... I mean this feat allows a caster to learn any type of spell as it currently is. Of course, you can say anything. ^_^ And I've certainly seen (and encourage, and approve of) the various debates about the rules. I myself, on the other hand, won't even say "that's your interpretation", so much as I'll say that, apparently: "that's what you wish it said", and even "that's what you think it should say". But I won't say that it's your interpretation so much as I'll point out that it's your attempt to alter the reality so that it'll be the way you want it to. And I'm impressed with either your intelligence or charisma, depending on which you used to attempt that spell. ~_^ PS, would that allow a will save? [/QUOTE]
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