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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 3254504" data-attributes="member: 478">Yeah. What I meant with that is, that the comparison between Extra Spell and Collegiate Wizard does not work to discern how Extra Spell might work, since it might very well do nothing for Wizards... and still work as intended, since it is designed for Sorcerers (primarily).It also says so, quite explicitly. I tend to read rules in a way, that they do what they say.This is wrong. There is a rule, that prevents Wizards from casting spells not on their class spell list. Extra Spell does nothing with that list.Yep, that's synonymous with learning a new spell.This is not generally true.If you allow the learning of spells outside of one's class spell list, these cannot be cast from most classes. Sorcerers might be the only exception there, but I would rather think they work like all the other classes in this context.Let's try with the Bard... so the Bard learns Extra Spell to learn Magic Missile and now wants to cast the spell.There are two rules...Check. He knows this spell now, so he can probably cast it.Oh, wait, he can only cast spells from the bard spell list. Magic Missile isn't on that list.So he cannot cast it, after all.Both these rules have to be fulfilled in order for this to work!And for Extra Spell to work as you say for Wizards, the following rule must be broken...Hence, it does not work that way.There is one word in the Sorcerer class write-up, which gives a little backdoor for Sorcerers to actually use this...Because of this word, which only appears in the Sorcerer class write-up, I cannot tell you, that it does not work for them. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />But I'm reasonably sure, that it is not intended for them to be able to learn non-Sor/Wiz spells. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />ByeThanee</blockquote>

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