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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7483480" data-attributes="member: 16814">Thise people aren't paying attention to the game, then.&nbsp; Rogues come up well short of the top in damage even in non-MC, non-feat games.&nbsp; Most casting classes outperform them with cantrip and class abilities, much less bigger hits.&nbsp; Fighters and ither melee focused classes do it better with multiple attacks.&nbsp; +10d6 conditional at 20th isnt better than the fighters four attacks with stat and weapon.&nbsp; The rogue tops at d8+5+10d6, the fighter at 8d6+20.&nbsp; Dicewise the rogue rolls 3 more dice to the fighter's +15, not counting fighter subclass adds or fighting style increases.&nbsp; And the rogue requires either advantage or the fighter being adjacent to his target to get that lesser-but-close damage.If people are really looking at the rogue as a top damage performer, they're not really paying attention to what actually happens.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7483480, member: 16814"] Thise people aren't paying attention to the game, then. Rogues come up well short of the top in damage even in non-MC, non-feat games. Most casting classes outperform them with cantrip and class abilities, much less bigger hits. Fighters and ither melee focused classes do it better with multiple attacks. +10d6 conditional at 20th isnt better than the fighters four attacks with stat and weapon. The rogue tops at d8+5+10d6, the fighter at 8d6+20. Dicewise the rogue rolls 3 more dice to the fighter's +15, not counting fighter subclass adds or fighting style increases. And the rogue requires either advantage or the fighter being adjacent to his target to get that lesser-but-close damage. If people are really looking at the rogue as a top damage performer, they're not really paying attention to what actually happens. [/QUOTE]

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