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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pukunui" data-source="post: 6837984" data-attributes="member: 54629">Hi all,I thought I had a handle on the whole "Investigation vs Perception" thing, but after thinking about how to apply the benefits of eyes of minute seeing, I'm feeling confused again.The PHB states on page 178 that Investigation can be used to "look around for clues and make deductions based on those clues". With it, you can "deduce the location of a hidden object", for example. However, on that same page, under "Finding a Hidden Object", it says that the DM will normally call for a Perception check to find something like a secret door or a key hidden under clothes in a bureau drawer.Furthermore, the DMG states on page 238 that "Wisdom checks allow characters to perceive what is around them (the wall is clean here), while Intelligence checks answer why things are that way (there's probably a secret door)."In other words: Perception is for the physical senses, while Investigation is purely mental. It's all logic and reasoning and the like.But then you've got the eyes of minute seeing and eyes of the eagle. The former grant advantage on Investigation checks "that rely on sight while searching an area or studying an object within [1 foot]", while the latter grant advantage on Perception checks "that rely on sight" and allow you to "make out details of even extremely distant creatures and objects as small as 2 feet across."It seems like the idea is that eyes of minute seeing are meant to be like a magnifying glass, while eyes of the eagle are meant to be like binoculars. But why the distinction between Investigation and Perception?When would some ever make an Investigation check that relies on sight? Aren't the physical senses Perception's domain? Shouldn't these magic items perhaps both provide advantage on Intelligence (Investigation) and Wisdom (Perception) checks that rely on sight (and only either up close or far away respectively)?[sblock=As an addendum<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" />Let's just say you were running "Death House" and you happened to have a PC with eyes of minute seeing playing in the adventure. Would you let the item grant them advantage on their Perception checks to notice all the little details in the house's woodwork?[/sblock]Thanks in advance!Regards,Jonathan</blockquote>

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