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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 3634456" data-attributes="member: 22779">But, Shilsen, how do you get around the fact that any of the higher level spells simply mop the floor with these creatures?&nbsp; A Circle of Death spell wipes out half the forces.&nbsp; Even something as simple as a wall of fire spell will seriously impact these guys.&nbsp; Barbarian 1/Fighter 4 only has 35 hp's (roughly, assuming some CON bonuses).&nbsp; A 10 die fireball should kill any that don't make their saves and a second one ends the fight.&nbsp; Never mind the marshall, bard, and NPC wizard who died in the first fireball.That was always my problem.&nbsp; Summon Monster 7 and Wall of Stone and the fight is over.Then again, my bunch never went in for buffing all that much.&nbsp; Other than the bard that is.&nbsp; It wasn't until almost the end of the campaign that they had a cleric and they never had a wizard.&nbsp; To be fair though, the Mob template from the DMG II is a sweet, sweet thing.&nbsp; That's FUN.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious&nbsp; &nbsp; :]" data-shortname=":]" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 3634456, member: 22779"] But, Shilsen, how do you get around the fact that any of the higher level spells simply mop the floor with these creatures? A Circle of Death spell wipes out half the forces. Even something as simple as a wall of fire spell will seriously impact these guys. Barbarian 1/Fighter 4 only has 35 hp's (roughly, assuming some CON bonuses). A 10 die fireball should kill any that don't make their saves and a second one ends the fight. Never mind the marshall, bard, and NPC wizard who died in the first fireball. That was always my problem. Summon Monster 7 and Wall of Stone and the fight is over. Then again, my bunch never went in for buffing all that much. Other than the bard that is. It wasn't until almost the end of the campaign that they had a cleric and they never had a wizard. To be fair though, the Mob template from the DMG II is a sweet, sweet thing. That's FUN. :] [/QUOTE]

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