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<blockquote data-quote="shilsen" data-source="post: 3637780" data-attributes="member: 198">I wasn't referring to point buy but to the elite stat array from the MM and how I use/modify it. And yes, the deviation will usually be much higher if one looks at the stats and what they mean on the point buy scale, since stats of 18, 16, 16, 10, 10, 10 and 14, 14, 14, 14, 12, 12 may total to the same numerically but are vastly different on the point buy scale.To add a little context, my PCs start with 80 pts (not point buy) to divide among their stats (before adding racial modifiers), with no more than 1 stat at 18 and no stat at less than 8 before racial mods. So I had PCs starting with things like 18, 16, 16, 12, 10, 8 or 16, 16, 12, 12, 12, 12, which add up to well past the point buy total used for &quot;high-powered campaigns&quot; in the DMG. Due to in-game events, they've all taken a permanent -2 to Con, but have gained a permanent +4 enhancement bonus to all stats. Absolutely. CR/EL are useful tools, but I never consider them any more than a rough guideline at best.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="shilsen, post: 3637780, member: 198"] I wasn't referring to point buy but to the elite stat array from the MM and how I use/modify it. And yes, the deviation will usually be much higher if one looks at the stats and what they mean on the point buy scale, since stats of 18, 16, 16, 10, 10, 10 and 14, 14, 14, 14, 12, 12 may total to the same numerically but are vastly different on the point buy scale. To add a little context, my PCs start with 80 pts (not point buy) to divide among their stats (before adding racial modifiers), with no more than 1 stat at 18 and no stat at less than 8 before racial mods. So I had PCs starting with things like 18, 16, 16, 12, 10, 8 or 16, 16, 12, 12, 12, 12, which add up to well past the point buy total used for "high-powered campaigns" in the DMG. Due to in-game events, they've all taken a permanent -2 to Con, but have gained a permanent +4 enhancement bonus to all stats. Absolutely. CR/EL are useful tools, but I never consider them any more than a rough guideline at best. [/QUOTE]

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