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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5021518" data-attributes="member: 35909">18+6*int?&nbsp; Where are you getting that from?&nbsp; The Rogue, if he wanted to blow ALL his Rogue major abilities on skill mastery (are you even allowed to take it multiple times?) could take it about 3 times by level 19.&nbsp; That's 3*Int +9 skills.&nbsp; Furthermore, did PF change how skill mastery worked?&nbsp; In 3.5, many DMs ruled you could not use it for UMD, the one skill above alll others a Rogue would want to take 10 on.&nbsp; You're also neglecting that the Bardic ability is just the last of three benefits gained fro ma single class feature, Jack of All Trades.&nbsp; Expecting the Rogue to blow a similar number of gained benefits just ot equal 1/3 of the Bard's seems rather unfair.&nbsp; And even then, he's still unlikely to pull even, barring massive Int.If &quot;it should be better, because it's gained at level 19&quot; is the rationale...why not have an auto-boost for the Rogue at level 19, so his Skill Mastery expands to cover every skill.&nbsp; Still no good because he could partially benefit before then...what if &quot;Greater Skill Mastery&quot; or whatever, functionally identical to the Bard ability and only available at level 19, replaced it?&nbsp; The Bard ability is either a) too powerful for any class or b) has no logical reason not to give it to Rogues and Factotems as well.Sorry...rant.&nbsp; Back to the thread topic? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5021518, member: 35909"] 18+6*int? Where are you getting that from? The Rogue, if he wanted to blow ALL his Rogue major abilities on skill mastery (are you even allowed to take it multiple times?) could take it about 3 times by level 19. That's 3*Int +9 skills. Furthermore, did PF change how skill mastery worked? In 3.5, many DMs ruled you could not use it for UMD, the one skill above alll others a Rogue would want to take 10 on. You're also neglecting that the Bardic ability is just the last of [b]three[/b] benefits gained fro ma single class feature, Jack of All Trades. Expecting the Rogue to blow a similar number of gained benefits just ot equal 1/3 of the Bard's seems rather unfair. And even then, he's still unlikely to pull even, barring massive Int. If "it should be better, because it's gained at level 19" is the rationale...why not have an auto-boost for the Rogue at level 19, so his Skill Mastery expands to cover every skill. Still no good because he could partially benefit before then...what if "Greater Skill Mastery" or whatever, functionally identical to the Bard ability and only available at level 19, replaced it? The Bard ability is either a) too powerful for any class or b) has no logical reason not to give it to Rogues and Factotems as well. Sorry...rant. Back to the thread topic? :) [/QUOTE]

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