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<blockquote data-quote="Markn" data-source="post: 3620210" data-attributes="member: 21827">This goes along with my lines of reasoning.&nbsp; I thought that this would make the most sense.&nbsp; The question then becomes, what should that penalty be?&nbsp; The spell Glitterdust specifically states a hide penalty and has some similarities to FF but also functions quite a bit different.&nbsp; FF, meanwhile does not list a hide penalty.&nbsp; So maybe, there shouldn't be any at all?At any rate, I can see both sides of the argument.&nbsp; Hype's line of reasoning makes sense, but then again so does lottrbacchus.&nbsp; I think that if you can successfully hide you are able to &quot;hide&quot; the light as well.&nbsp; If you throw a sheet over yourself so that you cover the FF, can you hide then?&nbsp; If so, it would seem perposterous since a dude with a sheet on stands out like a sore thumb and isn't that just as ludicrous as hiding with FF on you?&nbsp; Either way it seems like you can still hide.&nbsp; Hide places no distinction in any way, shape or form.&nbsp; For example, a Lantern Archon is effectively a ball of light.&nbsp; Does that mean it is impossible for them to hide?&nbsp; Absolutely not.&nbsp; Give a Lantern Archon some Rogue levels and they can still hide with the best of them.&nbsp; Even without the rogue levels they can still make hide attempts.&nbsp; Furthermore, hide, or perhaps HiPS more specifically does not list any caveat about the hiding person being unable to hide if they have a light source but are still within 10' of a shadow.&nbsp; It would then seem that hiding should be allowable regardless of circumstances as long as all prereqs are met for HiPS.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Markn, post: 3620210, member: 21827"] This goes along with my lines of reasoning. I thought that this would make the most sense. The question then becomes, what should that penalty be? The spell Glitterdust specifically states a hide penalty and has some similarities to FF but also functions quite a bit different. FF, meanwhile does not list a hide penalty. So maybe, there shouldn't be any at all? At any rate, I can see both sides of the argument. Hype's line of reasoning makes sense, but then again so does lottrbacchus. I think that if you can successfully hide you are able to "hide" the light as well. If you throw a sheet over yourself so that you cover the FF, can you hide then? If so, it would seem perposterous since a dude with a sheet on stands out like a sore thumb and isn't that just as ludicrous as hiding with FF on you? Either way it seems like you can still hide. Hide places no distinction in any way, shape or form. For example, a Lantern Archon is effectively a ball of light. Does that mean it is impossible for them to hide? Absolutely not. Give a Lantern Archon some Rogue levels and they can still hide with the best of them. Even without the rogue levels they can still make hide attempts. Furthermore, hide, or perhaps HiPS more specifically does not list any caveat about the hiding person being unable to hide if they have a light source but are still within 10' of a shadow. It would then seem that hiding should be allowable regardless of circumstances as long as all prereqs are met for HiPS. [/QUOTE]

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