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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 6794220">I don't play 5E and haven't played 3E in ages, so not sure how much that would align with the situation as described. But if it is completely impossible to succeed and that doesn't seem to match what should be the case in the situation, I'd call it a problem with the system or something the GM needs to step in an rule on. I don't think the GM introducing something dungeon like that is fail forward. That is a technique GMs have been using long before Fail forward was a thing and it has almost no direct relationship to the roll itself. I feel like there are two kinds of fail forward being discussed here. On, the one pemerton is describing, is very easy to grasp and clear. This other one is something I am having a lot of trouble distinguishing between other common GM tactics. But then that isn't anything all that unusual. GMs do that all the time without it being called fail forward. By that logic, any time I introduce any element to the setting that helps the players in any way, I potentially using fail forward. To me, a GM who takes pity on a PC trapped in a pit and has someone walk by so they don't die, isn't really doing anything to advance the plot or adventure, he is just saving the PC.</blockquote>