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<blockquote data-quote="innerdude" data-source="post: 6798756" data-attributes="member: 85870"><p>One final thing ---- </p><p></p><p>It may just be semantics, but I'm wondering if recasting this concept as "action forward" rather than "fail forward" works better. In my mind, "action forward" accounts for the "fail forward" use cases we've already discussed, but also tackles the added dimension of "pre-authoring" versus "mutable fiction." </p><p></p><p>For example, think of this use case ---- using an entirely process sim resolution system, a party uses their skills to sneak into a fortress, defeat several encounters, and overcome several deadly traps in hunt of Macguffin XYZ. Absolutely no use of fail forward techniques; the party has "succeeded" in every mechanical sense of the word. </p><p></p><p>Yet due to the GM's pre-authoring stance, the artifact isn't there, has never been there, and in fact has been taken out of the fortress by the BBEG years earlier. Or perhaps the party watches as the BBEG runs away with the artifact, and the party has no potentially successful course of action other than to chase after it once again. </p><p></p><p>In fact, didn't we just see a major meltdown from [MENTION=67338]GMforPowergamers[/MENTION] group over something similar? </p><p></p><p>The "action forward" stance would change this --- of course the Macguffin is there, and there would be a valid in-fiction reason that the BBEG recently brought it back.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="innerdude, post: 6798756, member: 85870"] One final thing ---- It may just be semantics, but I'm wondering if recasting this concept as "action forward" rather than "fail forward" works better. In my mind, "action forward" accounts for the "fail forward" use cases we've already discussed, but also tackles the added dimension of "pre-authoring" versus "mutable fiction." For example, think of this use case ---- using an entirely process sim resolution system, a party uses their skills to sneak into a fortress, defeat several encounters, and overcome several deadly traps in hunt of Macguffin XYZ. Absolutely no use of fail forward techniques; the party has "succeeded" in every mechanical sense of the word. Yet due to the GM's pre-authoring stance, the artifact isn't there, has never been there, and in fact has been taken out of the fortress by the BBEG years earlier. Or perhaps the party watches as the BBEG runs away with the artifact, and the party has no potentially successful course of action other than to chase after it once again. In fact, didn't we just see a major meltdown from [MENTION=67338]GMforPowergamers[/MENTION] group over something similar? The "action forward" stance would change this --- of course the Macguffin is there, and there would be a valid in-fiction reason that the BBEG recently brought it back. [/QUOTE]
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