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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 6799734" data-attributes="member: 957">I was asserting that the height of the cliff would be based on the level of the PCs, exactly as you described here.   We could argue wording all day, but I was asserting what you said here.You have advocated here the EXACT thing that I was bothered by.I think you are simply playing word games with "side plot" and then going on to reestablish the point that the different playstyles have huge implications.If you are talking about football, then my thoughts on the designated hitter rule will not be helpful.People seem to look at all conversations about "D&D" as being about the same sport, but they really aren't.     They may all be "sports" but they can be as different as football and baseball.Which is not intended to be non constructive, but rather to point out that looking at the other perspective is really highly important.If you were to simply ask me if I use the concept of "fail forward" I would say that it is absolutely an important part of what I keep in my quiver of options.But in the context of how you are constraining it, I would be rather strongly opposed to it.This is an important distinction.</blockquote>