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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6808020" data-attributes="member: 87792">Here I'm going to half agree with you. This is the way oD&D, B/X, BECMI, 1E, 4E, the OSR, and The Forge/Storygames would have you do things. Most games outside these groupings IME do not poitn you in that direction.I'm going to add two caveats here. Games that are deep with no way of backing down need carefully considered design of the challenges. Old school megadungeons aren't as alert to the challenges - they are more based on a "test your skill/luck" basis. How far into the dungeon can/dare you go on the trip? There is no expectation that the PCs complete the thing in one run, so there just has to be an ascending difficulty curve and it's up to the PCS to decide when to pull out with enough resources left to make it back. The second is that if you're not leaving ways of backing down then balance is vital - balance is information, nothing more and nothing less. And in a decently balanced game like 4e I can drop complex challenges on the fly which will challenge the party probably without killing them.As a player I see the richer interconenctedness as not even slightly in tension with nowness. When you've a table full of people making connections, even on the fly, connections end up richer than they do with one person however much prep time they put in.I don't find mono-vision "consistent" worlds to be immersive. People themselves aren't consistent and neither is the world we live in to the degree a "consistent" world normally tries to be.</blockquote>

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