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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6814979" data-attributes="member: 177">In the context of this discussion, yes, I am saying something contrary, and, in fact, essential.&nbsp; Basically, it is Poe Dameron's question to Kylo Ren in The Force Awakens:&nbsp; &quot;Do I talk first or you talk first? I talk first?&quot;&nbsp;In one school (which is often typified by sandbox play) the GM requires that the PCs choose a direction and take an action before anything of interest will happen.&nbsp; In the other, (often typified by AP or published module play) the GM will present at least an initial default antagonist for the players to oppose.You can say that these are the same, if you twist around the roles and put &quot;quotes&quot; around them, and to a certain extent for single-author fiction you'd have some point.&nbsp; But, in an RPG, there's an outright physical difference - which person is driving the primary action at the table, GM or player?&nbsp; Given that the player and GM are different roles, I don't think it serves us in the discussion to try to sweep the difference under the carpet of &quot;quotes&quot;.I personally am generally a proponent of moderation in all things - that the functional best for a given group will be found in some admixture. But then we should note the differences, and choose actively, rather than wave hands and say that really, they are the same thing, when they aren't (imho).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6814979, member: 177"] In the context of this discussion, yes, I am saying something contrary, and, in fact, essential. Basically, it is Poe Dameron's question to Kylo Ren in The Force Awakens: "Do I talk first or you talk first? I talk first?" In one school (which is often typified by sandbox play) the GM requires that the PCs choose a direction and take an action before anything of interest will happen. In the other, (often typified by AP or published module play) the GM will present at least an initial default antagonist for the players to oppose. You can say that these are the same, if you twist around the roles and put "quotes" around them, and to a certain extent for single-author fiction you'd have some point. But, in an RPG, there's an outright physical difference - which person is driving the primary action at the table, GM or player? Given that the player and GM are different roles, I don't think it serves us in the discussion to try to sweep the difference under the carpet of "quotes". I personally am generally a proponent of moderation in all things - that the functional best for a given group will be found in some admixture. But then we should note the differences, and choose actively, rather than wave hands and say that really, they are the same thing, when they aren't (imho). [/QUOTE]

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