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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 6818644" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>There is no "may amount railroading" in the style at all. Period. Railroading only comes from bad DMs that railroad, and that's just as likely in your style as mine.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fail forward works as well in my style of gaming as it does in yours. I said pre-authoring adds depth, and it does. Depth is impossible without pre-authoring. Your style also relies on pre-authoring to provide depth. It's just that the players and DM pre-author things as the game progresses, rather than than both prior to game play and as the game progresses, as my style does. Fail forward has nothing to do with depth or pre-authoring.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And the answer is as obvious as the answer to, "Will the sun rise?" Since the answer is the same as when the question is applied to your style and NPCs, I'm surprised that you even asked the question.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So you do use pre-authored material, and for the same reasons. I also ignore or change things I dislike about the pre-authored settings I use.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>FR is whatever you make of it, like GH. How I use it has no bearing on how you use it and vise versa. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, but I can easily throw B10 into GH, FR, Planescape, or any number of other settings and ignore those connections. Juse because some people use a tool in a certain manner, does not mean that you have to avoid the tool or use it in the same manner. Given your response above about GH, it seems that you don't have a problem with pre-authorship, but rather the level of pre-authorship.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And this is just as insulting now as it was then. It implies that my style contains railroading inherently and a DM has to go out of his way to avoid it, rather than the reality which is that like your style, railroading simply does not exist unless the DM puts it there.</p><p></p><p>The very few pre-authored constraints are no different than constraints the game places on character creation and upon game play. If you have a PC whose only possession is a longsword, are you going to allow him to use a mace that doesn't exist when fighting skeletons? If yes, why? If no, big bad railroading limitation based on pre-authoring!!!!! Except not. Limitations have inherent connections to railroading. Railroading goes beyond limitations and require DM desire in order for it to exist.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Every setting limitation that exists in a pre-authored setting can also come up as a limitation in your style of game play. They just don't exist in advance. A limitation is a limitation, so I don't see why a limitation that comes up in game play is better than one that is pre-authored. Sheadunne's answer may have been self-centered as put forth, but at least it was honest. He's into your style because he just doesn't care about anyone or anything else beyond his character and what affects his character right then. There isn't a claim that a limitation is bad if pre-authored, but the same limitation is good if authored in the moment, even though that authored in the moment limitation becomes a pre-authored limitation the instant the moment is over.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 6818644, member: 23751"] There is no "may amount railroading" in the style at all. Period. Railroading only comes from bad DMs that railroad, and that's just as likely in your style as mine. Fail forward works as well in my style of gaming as it does in yours. I said pre-authoring adds depth, and it does. Depth is impossible without pre-authoring. Your style also relies on pre-authoring to provide depth. It's just that the players and DM pre-author things as the game progresses, rather than than both prior to game play and as the game progresses, as my style does. Fail forward has nothing to do with depth or pre-authoring. And the answer is as obvious as the answer to, "Will the sun rise?" Since the answer is the same as when the question is applied to your style and NPCs, I'm surprised that you even asked the question. So you do use pre-authored material, and for the same reasons. I also ignore or change things I dislike about the pre-authored settings I use. FR is whatever you make of it, like GH. How I use it has no bearing on how you use it and vise versa. Sure, but I can easily throw B10 into GH, FR, Planescape, or any number of other settings and ignore those connections. Juse because some people use a tool in a certain manner, does not mean that you have to avoid the tool or use it in the same manner. Given your response above about GH, it seems that you don't have a problem with pre-authorship, but rather the level of pre-authorship. And this is just as insulting now as it was then. It implies that my style contains railroading inherently and a DM has to go out of his way to avoid it, rather than the reality which is that like your style, railroading simply does not exist unless the DM puts it there. The very few pre-authored constraints are no different than constraints the game places on character creation and upon game play. If you have a PC whose only possession is a longsword, are you going to allow him to use a mace that doesn't exist when fighting skeletons? If yes, why? If no, big bad railroading limitation based on pre-authoring!!!!! Except not. Limitations have inherent connections to railroading. Railroading goes beyond limitations and require DM desire in order for it to exist. Every setting limitation that exists in a pre-authored setting can also come up as a limitation in your style of game play. They just don't exist in advance. A limitation is a limitation, so I don't see why a limitation that comes up in game play is better than one that is pre-authored. Sheadunne's answer may have been self-centered as put forth, but at least it was honest. He's into your style because he just doesn't care about anyone or anything else beyond his character and what affects his character right then. There isn't a claim that a limitation is bad if pre-authored, but the same limitation is good if authored in the moment, even though that authored in the moment limitation becomes a pre-authored limitation the instant the moment is over. [/QUOTE]
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