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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 7202907" data-attributes="member: 6787650">Yes, but they got melted off you pretty quick too. Even a Cloak of Protection +3 wouldn't last all that long before it was gone.You've said that this rule was obscure and unused in your circles, so apparently the way I ran the game was unusual by your standards. I thought it was totally normal though.Probabilities compound, and most 5E saves don't have DCs that are that high anyway. The ones that do tend not to have very severe effects, or the effects can be circumvented (sometimes easily). Can you give an example of a 5E monster that can't reasonably be used against PCs without proficiency in all the right saving throws?I honestly can't.</blockquote>