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<blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 2682893" data-attributes="member: 2358"><p>Well, the primary source between CW and the DMG is the DMG, meaning anything in CW is optional only and not part of the normal rules. That would lean toward not losing your benefits unless specifically noted as such.</p><p></p><p>If, however, this is an actual rule, I would certainly house rule otherwise as it makes no sense in most cases.</p><p></p><p>Rather, any abilities that come from sheer training (sneak attack, Ex abilities, things that are learned) should be retained, while unnatural abilities (Su and Sp abilities, smite evil, things that are a part of a type of power) would be lost.</p><p></p><p>I consider this different from feats, as it does make sense to lose a feat if you lose a prerequisite. Well, you don't lose the feat, you just lose the use of the feat. It makes perfect sense to not be able to power attack anymore if you no longer have Str 13, as it's a physical requirement. I would say, however, that maybe as a house rule, losing prerequisites should not cause you to lose the feat itself, but just prevent you from using it, which would mean you'd still have those feats as far as qualifying for other stuff goes.</p><p></p><p>I would likely never allow feat-swapping except by a very powerful spell like wish. In the loremaster case, as DM I would just rule that a player isn't allowed to swap out any spell that's required in order to have the prestige class in the first place. Rule 0 is handy in these cases. The actual rules are too unclear to figure them out, and the actual rules would probably not be very good, so I'd just house rule all the way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anubis, post: 2682893, member: 2358"] Well, the primary source between CW and the DMG is the DMG, meaning anything in CW is optional only and not part of the normal rules. That would lean toward not losing your benefits unless specifically noted as such. If, however, this is an actual rule, I would certainly house rule otherwise as it makes no sense in most cases. Rather, any abilities that come from sheer training (sneak attack, Ex abilities, things that are learned) should be retained, while unnatural abilities (Su and Sp abilities, smite evil, things that are a part of a type of power) would be lost. I consider this different from feats, as it does make sense to lose a feat if you lose a prerequisite. Well, you don't lose the feat, you just lose the use of the feat. It makes perfect sense to not be able to power attack anymore if you no longer have Str 13, as it's a physical requirement. I would say, however, that maybe as a house rule, losing prerequisites should not cause you to lose the feat itself, but just prevent you from using it, which would mean you'd still have those feats as far as qualifying for other stuff goes. I would likely never allow feat-swapping except by a very powerful spell like wish. In the loremaster case, as DM I would just rule that a player isn't allowed to swap out any spell that's required in order to have the prestige class in the first place. Rule 0 is handy in these cases. The actual rules are too unclear to figure them out, and the actual rules would probably not be very good, so I'd just house rule all the way. [/QUOTE]
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