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<blockquote data-quote="innerdude" data-source="post: 6988743" data-attributes="member: 85870">I saw this back on the first page of the thread, and really, this sums up the entire thing. In a roleplaying game, I personally find the &quot;What makes the world seem more alive?&quot; question more compelling than &quot;What creates an interesting fairy tale?&quot; As [MENTION=6696971]Manbearcat[/MENTION] said, a &quot;fairy tale&quot; can potentially explore aspects of the characters, but part of my problem with fairy tale logic even in this regard is, if my character doesn't exist within a reality that can be relatable to my own experience, then any exploration of my character is less valuable and impactful. Without a grounded reality surrounding it, discovering things about &quot;honor&quot; and &quot;bravery&quot; and &quot;self-sacrifice&quot; with my characters tend to end up much like a reading of a Grimm's Fairy Tale ---- shallow and unfulfilling.The historical D&amp;D &quot;drift&quot; into more sim/naturalist directions is an indicator to me that more players than not preferred the first question. Those who preferred the second question probably have found themselves drifting further and further afield from &quot;D&amp;D&quot; the longer the years pass---with Forge-ist narrative games, Fate, Apocalypse Engine, Cinematic Unisystem, Coretex+, et. al.---into something that specifically aims to produce a gameplay experience divergent from D&amp;D.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="innerdude, post: 6988743, member: 85870"] I saw this back on the first page of the thread, and really, this sums up the entire thing. In a roleplaying game, I personally find the "What makes the world seem more alive?" question more compelling than "What creates an interesting fairy tale?" As [MENTION=6696971]Manbearcat[/MENTION] said, a "fairy tale" can potentially explore aspects of the characters, but part of my problem with fairy tale logic even in this regard is, if my character doesn't exist within a reality that can be relatable to my own experience, then any exploration of my character is less valuable and impactful. Without a grounded reality surrounding it, discovering things about "honor" and "bravery" and "self-sacrifice" with my characters tend to end up much like a reading of a Grimm's Fairy Tale ---- shallow and unfulfilling. The historical D&D "drift" into more sim/naturalist directions is an indicator to me that more players than not preferred the first question. Those who preferred the second question probably have found themselves drifting further and further afield from "D&D" the longer the years pass---with Forge-ist narrative games, Fate, Apocalypse Engine, Cinematic Unisystem, Coretex+, et. al.---into something that specifically aims to produce a gameplay experience divergent from D&D. [/QUOTE]

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