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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8243387" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>Sure, the MCU has tried to hamfist this nonsense idea into the franchise, but it <em>really</em> fails most of the time, and the other times are only partial failures.</p><p></p><p>Age of Ultron isn’t a result of superheroes, it’s a result of <em>a scientist developing AI tech too recklessly.</em> The superheroes then stop the AI monster from murdering humanity or whatever. It’s only to give personal stakes and create internal and interteam struggle that the scientist happens to also be part of the team, but nothing about Ultron’s creation actually relies on the existence of superheroes. In a timeline without supers, Ultron could just as easily come about, and have no one to stop him.</p><p></p><p>Wandavision and civil war make a spectacle case for oversight of superheroes, for sure, though the incident with Wanda in CW is...extremely normal for US military action abroad, so it falls a bit flat for me.</p><p></p><p>The worst case is attempts to paint the battle of New York as somehow indicative of this whole “supers break as much as they save” garbage notion. They saved the world from an alien invasion. The alien invaders broke part of the city, and the Avengers contained the damage while minimizing casualties, and stopped the invasion. Whatever fallout comes from alien tech and whatever else, is on Loki and the alien invaders. This is like blaming firefighters for water damage. It’s obnoxiously silly.</p><p></p><p>The <em>only</em> things Zemo is right about are; </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">It’s a bit sad but predictable that none of them visited the Sokovia memorial (also BS Steve didn’t. Nope. Steve absolutely 100% would have.)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">He is right to be bitter about his home, and to direct that at Stark, and at the Avengers for not holding Stark accountable</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Symbols can be dangerous sometimes. He wildly exaggerated the case, but technically he is right that they can be. </li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 8243387, member: 6704184"] Sure, the MCU has tried to hamfist this nonsense idea into the franchise, but it [I]really[/I] fails most of the time, and the other times are only partial failures. Age of Ultron isn’t a result of superheroes, it’s a result of [I]a scientist developing AI tech too recklessly.[/I] The superheroes then stop the AI monster from murdering humanity or whatever. It’s only to give personal stakes and create internal and interteam struggle that the scientist happens to also be part of the team, but nothing about Ultron’s creation actually relies on the existence of superheroes. In a timeline without supers, Ultron could just as easily come about, and have no one to stop him. Wandavision and civil war make a spectacle case for oversight of superheroes, for sure, though the incident with Wanda in CW is...extremely normal for US military action abroad, so it falls a bit flat for me. The worst case is attempts to paint the battle of New York as somehow indicative of this whole “supers break as much as they save” garbage notion. They saved the world from an alien invasion. The alien invaders broke part of the city, and the Avengers contained the damage while minimizing casualties, and stopped the invasion. Whatever fallout comes from alien tech and whatever else, is on Loki and the alien invaders. This is like blaming firefighters for water damage. It’s obnoxiously silly. The [I]only[/I] things Zemo is right about are; [LIST] [*]It’s a bit sad but predictable that none of them visited the Sokovia memorial (also BS Steve didn’t. Nope. Steve absolutely 100% would have.) [*]He is right to be bitter about his home, and to direct that at Stark, and at the Avengers for not holding Stark accountable [*]Symbols can be dangerous sometimes. He wildly exaggerated the case, but technically he is right that they can be. [/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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