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<blockquote data-quote="Tonguez" data-source="post: 8243735" data-attributes="member: 1125"><p>I’m one of those, I never read the Captain America comics, didnt like the character and my first exposure to Cap was him being beaten up by Black Panther when he tried to enter Wakanda uninvited.</p><p></p><p>So coming in with just the MCU and cartoon knowledge and a cynical view of US military, to me initially John Walker seemed like a okay guy, obviously not Steve Rogers level of Good Giy, but a proven soldier who served his nation well and who was trying to make friends and do a good job.</p><p>I can see how Sams dismissive attitude to Walker has fed in to Walkers feelings of inadequacy and lead to anger and a drive to prove himself inspite of Sam and Bucky not considering him an equal. We do see some one-upmaniship from Walker (like tracking Red Wing and imposing themselves) and we see Walker being rough with civilians (again something anecdotally associated with US military irl) but Sam’s attitude does have some of the blame for bringing out the A-hole in Walker.</p><p></p><p>As to his downfall, even if I think using Ayo to do it was a dumb writing decision, I can understand how being beaten up by the Dora Malaje and ‘their pointy sticks’ would drive an accomplished American Hero to take the serum when he got the chance (its the drive for American Exceptionalism) and I can see how the death of his partner/friend would push him into a murderous rage</p><p></p><p>while others are saying outright that he’s a murderer, in one of my younger more cynical personas I’d probably say “<em>No, he’s just being an American</em>”*</p><p>(<em><span style="font-size: 10px">I’ve matured since then and am a bit more sophisticated in my real world cynicism</span></em>)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tonguez, post: 8243735, member: 1125"] I’m one of those, I never read the Captain America comics, didnt like the character and my first exposure to Cap was him being beaten up by Black Panther when he tried to enter Wakanda uninvited. So coming in with just the MCU and cartoon knowledge and a cynical view of US military, to me initially John Walker seemed like a okay guy, obviously not Steve Rogers level of Good Giy, but a proven soldier who served his nation well and who was trying to make friends and do a good job. I can see how Sams dismissive attitude to Walker has fed in to Walkers feelings of inadequacy and lead to anger and a drive to prove himself inspite of Sam and Bucky not considering him an equal. We do see some one-upmaniship from Walker (like tracking Red Wing and imposing themselves) and we see Walker being rough with civilians (again something anecdotally associated with US military irl) but Sam’s attitude does have some of the blame for bringing out the A-hole in Walker. As to his downfall, even if I think using Ayo to do it was a dumb writing decision, I can understand how being beaten up by the Dora Malaje and ‘their pointy sticks’ would drive an accomplished American Hero to take the serum when he got the chance (its the drive for American Exceptionalism) and I can see how the death of his partner/friend would push him into a murderous rage while others are saying outright that he’s a murderer, in one of my younger more cynical personas I’d probably say “[I]No, he’s just being an American[/I]”* ([I][SIZE=2]I’ve matured since then and am a bit more sophisticated in my real world cynicism[/SIZE][/I]) [/QUOTE]
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